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Posted - 06 Apr 2004 : 05:51:22

Hello everybody,

I am new here. I am Ed van der Meulen and I live in the Netherlands in old Europe. It's a sunny day here. Spring is coming. Other birds, new leaves, new smells.

I am a pure mathematician. It means I have learned mathematics is for playing, so let's play... Let's play a serious play.

We will question here all the big mathematical theories. And we start with the Standard Model of quantum mechanics.

We will walk an easy way. In this way we will find holes and contradictions and then we will see improvements. And with all improvements we will propose another Quantum theory. We will tell new principles and work them out. This is just a start. Newton revisited.

And we use only one thing. That is our own brain. And I am honest I am also thinking with my feelings. They help me. They motivate me. They give me energy. They look between your lines to your motives. Why do you write that?

We don't do difficult things. Look... Something to remind...

...When we state a problem we use a languages and that language has rules. Mathematicians say there's a theory describing how you can speak there. Example I have stated a Dutch sentence. That's not difficult for me.

We have stated the problem in a "problem room". Dutch is here the problem room. Other birds, green leaves. Other smells.

Then we have tools to translate that sentence for instance into English. English is also a room, here the "solution room".

Do you understand me? You can always put questions.

And during the translation phase we develop, we can use different tools. We can go via Latin. English is full of Latin. or via Spanish, why not. Or we can use bablefish. We can guess a lot or use a vocabulary or a dictionary. We have many ways and they are in a particular "developing room". Each with own rules.

And with these three rooms 1. the problem room, where an arrow starts that runs through 2. one of the developing rooms, 3. ending in the solution room.

... This was about the three rooms. And we will use it.

And now we know we can have many developing rooms where the arrow can fly.

As example I give you a solution for the famous paradox of the "unexpected hanging". For the developing room I use...

Well, of course, physics.

http://nnw.sourceforge.net/docs.php/intro-uhso

This reduces the paradox of the "unexpected hanging" to a play. It's man-made and in our head.

And in this way we can go in. We will look at physical measurements and that are our problems. How can we interpret them. And what does the mathematical theory do. And then we will see why? It's much easier. We have more developing rooms. Mathematics has blinded us. Do you dare to say that? May I write that? Is it dangerous for me. Please don't hurt me. We are just playing.

Does anyone like to make the same discovery trip with me. Do you dare it to enter this new realm. For we will discover new things. It's a new country you know. The free choice of the developing room. New tools we maybe will meet, and we surely will use them.

But we always will stay friendly. Never playing the man and forgetting the ball. For that's not nice for me. Then I will leave.

And for some people I am sorry. I am also a language lover. I paint, make poems and such things more. Do you like music? Why does music enter us so deeply? Do you have any idea?

I hope you have a splendid day

Ed van der Meulen

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Already a next step.

We are using the measurments as "given" to us. We can't question them.

But we know the measurememnt are taken with instruments. Analized by computer programs and so influenced by our knowledge.

Even when you look at the sky and you see with your eyes a cloud. You have a history in your head and you can recognize it. So your own education is important as well. And then you can be drunk, or even blind for the colors.

Meteorogists can study the same clouds more precise and they have then more precise information, and also other information. Yours can be well as well.

So we will ask many times, please look again. But we can't judje what they do. We only can trust those researchers. And work together with them. For they are our senses.

And surely we can dream a lot. History of science shows that enough.

We are on our way.

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Posted - 06 Apr 2004 : 13:17:45

Hello everybody

After a nice start of a new approach, already an...

... start intermezzo

We write in SR en GR just time as a fourth dimension only time is then like a distance. We are invited to jump in time, like over a ditch, and to go backward in time. But how do we do that in reality?

For my experience time is totally not distance-like.

I think also time builds up from local to the universe connected to matter. The fluent time we use is man made, I think.

Time is locally made in the SM as well.

According to Strauss Edinburgh we could see time as many parallel threads and in each happening one of them goes further. Only I don't understand how that could begin, or what are predecessor situations. Something that starts with much. Most things start reversely.

So time in SR and GR is already strange.

...End intermezzo

Isn't it a joy? See my posting only as a play. Pure mathematicians learn that with proof theory. Then the realty is a model. That model has a language which describes what is happening there. We look at than model and talk about in a meta-language and a we use for it a meta-theory. We can formalize them as well. In proof theory the famous Gödel has proved. Mathematical theories have always holes. But they are internally of course consistent. Proof are only consistency proof.

For proof theory the model is the reality. But for physicians that is confusing. I know that.

In mathematics we have the choice axiom. You can prove then that you can divide the solid unit sphere into a final number of parts. You can rearrange the parts and build now two solid unit spheres. Please try that in physics. But mathematician often say this strangeness of 1 = 2 is only an interpretation problem. No they don't want to lose that so productive axiom of choice. The use that axiom very much. On the net you can google for it.

The whole mathematics is also a theory and so proofs are also a tautology. The axioms contain all the results already. And we can't escape them.

But in CS you have already a := a + 1. While an axiom in math is a = a. I know := means another thing.

But you can see the timelessness of our math box and that there is more in this word than that. Even CS exists.

Math is a giant tool but there is more.

Love is not mathematical. Feelings hardly.

The physical chaos view of layers and physical emergence is with local gain and loss.

In our brain are also different often dynamical layers. Thoughts can break through and build up. And emerging to a higher layer is there more coherence and some parts stay where they are and don't have results. That are what we call losses.

And with many layers, the top layer has only loose connection with the rest. It's more a general picture without many details. They are lost and so... I experience I have a free will and I understand with those layers and local loss I have a free will. I see that only as great.

We can think about it inductively like happens in all sciences. That's gathering ideas. And that direction is opposite to the deductive direction. This isn't really difficult to understand.

All sciences are outside the math box in an inductive world. Normal people think in this way. In the beginning we know nothing or a little, we gather and later we know more and also more precise.

The information annalist goes also from imprecise to precise in steps.

But I as mathematician I know exactly my axioms and I build in the opposite direction and look we meet here. Isn't that great.

Ed van der Meulen

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Posted - 06 Apr 2004 : 17:34:02

Some light critics to the SM. as a very light start.

Is it a pity the neutrino has a mass. What is mass more than a variable and a number in our theories. Is it also a physical something?

But what is a photon? It has a rest mass of 0, so only moving and spin energy. We can catch light between borders, but the photon doesn't halt. When it would halt it would have no mass and what is it then. Isn't this a very little bit strange.

We start mildly. The big issues will come later.

Time was a problem as well. So we have already a small list.

Everyone is free to react but please stay friendly and possitive.

Do you know of the ARIA-pattern. It's from mass communications, yes another subject.

A = amazement. R = resistence, I = imitation and A = authenticy.

Maybe all people pass through these phases when they hear new things. I as well. The R phase can last long, but I have always a short R phase. Imitation means I will use already parts. and A is also acceptation, choosing it and wanting it. For me it's a look at myself. What is happening with me.

You can also check the things I am telling here. I can give you urls about it. I apply in fact open information. I am not an inventer but a combiner.

Have please a very good day

Ed van der Meulen

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Posted - 07 Apr 2004 : 08:47:18

Hello bright thinkers.

The play goes on, a little step this time.

Something about inductive and deductive thinking. In short, deductive states axioms and they are fixed and then people develop a theory. The theory is bound to the early chosen axioms.

In Mathematics you have the Ituitionism, a more physical form of mathematics. It misses the "Tertium non datur". This means when of two ways one is closed, the other must be open. There's no thirds possibility. Binary logic, but you have also Fuzzy logic.

But in physics that's not guaranteed. Both ways can be closed. Or tomorrow one is open. Tell that in formal logic and you have problems. You have no time in that logic. The axiom a = a is very strong. Nothing can change. Is that physics?

Intuitionism means also infinity we can't reach. It means do everything recurrent. So yes very deductive as well.

It's not like the inductive sciences working with the scientific method. Of finding new insights --> hypothesis --> many measurements--> and then falsify the hypothesis --> On our way to improvements.

I know I can learn a lot from other sciences, they are great. And other people can learn for me, a mathematician. Don't I give much information now already? I have another initiative to join all scientists. Also in a pure open way.

The following url is about inductive and deductive thinking.

http://nnw.sourceforge.net/docs.php/intro-math

When something isn't clear, please ask me.

This is a url about those two ways of reasoning. Inductive goes from unknown to each time more knowledge. Normal sciences work in that way. Of course the processes go always forward. I talk about our way of reasoning.

Do you know the inductive game of Eleusis? That's inductive reasoning as well. Have hints, find the rules. So the rules (axioms) are arriving late then. And that's very natural, I think.

Slowly we enter this for many people new realm. While other people live there. Are we isolated? Could that be true?

The physical chaos view is known by already a lot of people. That is true. I have given a title of a book. I can give you a lot of urls as well. But all in a proper time. We aren't in a hurry. And look all info is open as well. It's an open source project under the rules of GPL. Use it, extend it, but let the stories like they are. So they can only grow.

For me that is a great way.

An extra gift. A weak critical note. The posting must have some contents, ne? (short for isn't it).

Some extra. In reality we have only a three dim space. Time isn't distance-like. Mass neither. Where in space do you find a 5 dim Space. It's it in our heads. And we can't be sure that a 5 dim space is right. I have never seen it.

Do you know the saying. Reality tends to disagree?

Ed

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Posted - 07 Apr 2004 : 12:08:45

Is this fresh approach needed?

There are more discussion sites. With also people with different opinions about the same things, SM, MM, redshift. Higg's field, sometimes time, clocks, SR, GR, ST, and most are just fighting with each other. That is lost energy. We have to work together.

I bring you the very true layer view on reality. It has a rich history. And science is nowhere when she sticks her head in the sand, going on in her own way.

That means layers we have to introduce. That means - not the past of particle is important but the local escape to a lower energy state. The particle has to be in a good enough position. Good enough will be a notion. We will meet margins everywhere. Ever seen a measurement without margins. All is shifting.

We don't know what a field is it's now only a formula that works. No more than that.

We know the higher layers are built by physical emergence. that is with real local loss and local gain.

We know as well streams come together which we don't know precise so we can't predict what will happen. We call that contingent. This means we do a step back. Our models give now ideas. Can you look there. And that is far more important then telling a whole story based on only the past, while life is full of surprises.

We have the far galaxies. We never can walk to the stars. We have to deal with that extra thing huge distances.

Time is important but we don't know what it is. Mass we neither know. We really have to start anew. We can't always fight with each other.

I hope some will see I am right in this. When something isn't clear please ask me. There's already a lot of information available.

And it grows.

Ed van der Meulen

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Posted - 07 Apr 2004 : 21:54:07

Summing up everything you have posted can be done in a few words. The universe is made of particles and fields that no body knows much about. Now, isn't that better than all the verbage?

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Posted - 08 Apr 2004 : 00:38:15

How is this, the numerator is 1 and always 1. Everything that exist is some fraction of this 1. So inductively, I start outside the toolbox figure out how to open it and use what is on the inside. Once I get inside I have to use the tools availible that make this seemingly chaotic Universe represented by the denominator, add up to one. I think my model does a good job of that.

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Posted - 08 Apr 2004 : 03:21:41

quote:
Originally posted by Jim

Summing up everything you have posted can be done in a few words. The universe is made of particles and fields that no body knows much about. Now, isn't that better than all the verbage?

You could say that and then?

I have used more words so I can do a next step. I try to write in a way that you can do a next step.

The normal way is I write a paragrapgh and another one writes a next paragraph often quoting and so we make already a draft for an article. That's the way I work. And then in versions. The first version is early but rough and the later versions are more precise.

So results are arising under our hands.

I will also questions fields. When I can't make a good picture in my head is will reformulate it. I have to have a firm grip on important notions. We will make them very concrete. For instance the string theory also talks of particles.

We need a so strong grip on it that we can talk about it.

You needed a sum up. That's good. But you can see at the postings I am eager to go on as well. There's a lot more. See it as going into a new territory. It's a discovery trip.

I already advised a book, but that can come later as well.

And know as well you can ask all you want and I will ask you as well a lot. It's always combining knowledge and thinking power.

Good morning

Ed

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Posted - 08 Apr 2004 : 03:36:41

quote:
Originally posted by rousejohnny

How is this, the numerator is 1 and always 1. Everything that exist is some fraction of this 1. So inductively, I start outside the toolbox figure out how to open it and use what is on the inside. Once I get inside I have to use the tools availible that make this seemingly chaotic Universe represented by the denominator, add up to one. I think my model does a good job of that.

Yes Johnny. The numerator. You or a machine walks along the reality and numerates the items. We do it a lot. The numbers are ordinals. We can count trees in a row as well. Everywhere you can use the numerator.

You can also step behind and see more tree. Now your number 1 is in the middle. Are you renumbering now? You can look at the back of the trees and your order is reversed. So we see the numerator is a picture of the relation between observer and object.

But you also can numerate the steps you do. And maybe you can't step back. When we make a computer model we do that. We will talk of boxes,
and can give boxes nice properties. In a way that that can grow.

In the computer the boxes are numbered. And we now now already renumbering will be an activity. We are already gathering info.

But your idea is right. Only it's our way. The numbering isn't in reality itself. We work in this way. But you have a good picture. And we can fill in, for sure.

We will find a lot of new things in this way.

The sun is shining here,

Ed

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Posted - 08 Apr 2004 : 09:00:37

I understand what you mean and the numerator's defining is limited in what I said. Fractions exist within the denominator, but they are all denominators of the Universe itself. In our Universe it appears that the charge in the denominator must equal 0, while the mass and energy should equal 1. This is important because we are the result of "lost" energy. Pluralism is greatest on the margins. We see this in both Social and Physical Sciences and we try to explain it with math. Both the studious physicist and the technocratic political scientist rely heavily on mathmatics and statistics to back up their claims. Time has two ways of crushing these Preditions. In the short run quantum uncertainty rears its ugly head, over the long haul in the higher levels there is the risk of another actor interfering. Both of these could serve to undermine the accuracy that was certain at the time of the original prediction. The uncertainty is created by not knowing all the actors and when the "Universal Director" will cue them to step out on the stage and ruin a good scientists monolouge. The really scary part in this whole affair is that if free-will does exist, as you have said, we can never know who the Universal Director might be in the denominator.

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Posted - 08 Apr 2004 : 13:41:25

quote:
Originally posted by rousejohnny

I understand what you mean and the numerator's defining is limited in what I said.

Yes. All numbers are in our head. Also rational numbers and reals.

quote:
Fractions exist within the denominator, but they are all denominators of the Universe itself.

Do we understand each other also rational numbers are in our head?

They are build from two natural numbers. The quotient is a rational number. That's not very difficult I think.

quote:
In our Universe it appears that the charge in the denominator must equal 0, while the mass and energy should equal 1. This is important because we are the result of "lost" energy. Pluralism is greatest on the margins. We see this in both Social and Physical Sciences and we try to explain it with math. Both the studious physicist and the technocratic political scientist rely heavily on mathematics and statistics to back up their claims. Time has two ways of crushing these Preditions. In the short run quantum uncertainty rears its ugly head, over the long haul in the higher levels there is the risk of another actor interfering. Both of these could serve to undermine the accuracy that was certain at the time of the original prediction. The uncertainty is created by not knowing all the actors and when the "Universal Director" will cue them to step out on the stage and ruin a good scientists monolouge. The really scary part in this whole affair is that if free-will does exist, as you have said, we can never know who the Universal Director might be in the denominator.

Yes and you can add a few things as well. Deductiveness means to be locked up in the past. Math is itself timeless. We can't predict accidents and nice surprises, which are normal in life. With the consequence they are also everywhere.

We can save the "Universal Director" of course. For we are stronger not use other powers than our owns.
And it allows others to take the trip with us. What do you think?

Only nature is more drawn to the opening in the future than pushed away by the past. Particles have to present. Their history isn't very important for that and the opening is decisive.

Further more layers aren't recognized so all is danger.

Then we have continually also local loss and that's neither in our theories.

Then most of what we perceive is contaminated with disorder. We call the combination of order and disorder physical chaos. This has nearly nothing to do with mathematical notion chaos, which is instability, a whole other notion.

I can't tell these stories to my fellow pure mathematicians. They see down on all other people. They think, they think superior. I am one of them and I know that very well. And for me that is low behavior.

I see the mathematical community as responsible for misleading the sciences.

I know also that people here are more open minded. They know they work with models and a lot of theories fly through the air. So this is the best place for introducing this quite unknown direction. But it is enormously true. Big scientists are our predecessors.

And the whole we call the physical chaos view on reality. So obvious for everybody.

We soon can go on on that discovery trip. You always can ask everything and I will answer you. And by answering it becomes sharper for me as well. We always learn from each other.

Your posting shows already the consequences and they are certainly large.

The promoting is already so far that we can't stop it anymore. It has reached its critical mass. Millions of people know it already. And they aren't stupid people. So it's in fact already a world movement. Nobody can stop the truth. Under the layer url that is so obvious, I have made a mathematical proof as well. So even mathematicians can't have a rational argument against it.

It's already a sign of openmindedness, that I still can post here.

Also in my country I know the cosmologist are the most flexible people. They know of mathematics and they often know of reality and they see math is not a so fantastic tool.

In chemistry, also nice people they see a mathematical model often as a miracle. I like more a critical environment.

For psychologist the super inductive thinkers, a mathematician is a devil or a god. When i use the word mathematician I mean those people who have not had applied mathematics. So in fact they are pure mathematicians. And I have escaped from them. But I know them very well.

In fact limited thinkers. But please don't tell that to them. They think to be the opposite. And please treat them with care. The are also people with feelings.

And of course this site will later become famous, to host what we are bringing.

Ed van der Meulen