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Mac

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 21 Apr 2003 : 22:01:23

north,

Thanks for that clarification. Now I must ask you if you are familiar with the "Chiral Condensate"?

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north

Canada
518 Posts

Posted - 21 Apr 2003 : 23:27:07

mac

no i am not familiar with chiral condensate.but please tell me, i am willing to learn.

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Mac

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 22 Apr 2003 : 09:24:52

north,

It is a name being given to what we formely have considered to be the "Vacuum or Voids" of space. It appears to be "Nothingness" but virtual particles routinely pop into and out of existance.

Since they don't really have a good handle on what it is yet let me suggest that you go online and search "Chiral Condensate Energy".

If is fasinating stuff.

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north

Canada
518 Posts

Posted - 12 May 2003 : 17:39:49

mark

subject black holes

i don't believe they can exist here is why.

if i put a shere surrounded by water and cause it to rotate it would not produce a hole in it's vortex,why because it needs a surface to produce a hole,it will be always filled with water.now if i move this vortex closer to the surface a hole hole will be produced but if i also move the sphere closer to the surface it will stop this,it needs space.

now in a galaxy there is no vortex at the top or bottom of it,the vortex (but really its rotation ) comes from the middle,and thats where the rotation is.so how can a black hole be produced at the centre of a galaxy and be caused by a rotation? if we look at a galaxy edge on there is the stars and then there is half sphere above and below a rotation,there is no vortex but rotation,vortex is not in the in the centre of anything! it is either above or below,but rotation can exist in the middle, this means to me that the rotation must be moving away not inward,as HALTON suggests.there is no vortex at the centre of our galaxy!!

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natyd

United Kingdom
3 Posts

Posted - 05 Oct 2003 : 16:29:45

rite 1st time i ave repyled 2 ne thing b4, but i ave read most of wots been said, u r all basin things on human knowledge which are equations n ave unknowns in them, wot r u basing ur knoledge on?? wot we call "facts", they mite just be assumptions, i am only 14 but i ave a lot of noledge on real things n i aint no how, but we mite be just basing all our thinking on sumthing that mite be rong, it mite just be coincidence, that things work out, or not, but we dnt no that either, knolege is only an assumption or based on things that have fallen in 2 places conviently, its jus sumthing i ave been thinkin bout, i aint no much equations n stuff but i ave a lot of common sense

NaTaN

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natyd

United Kingdom
3 Posts

Posted - 05 Oct 2003 : 16:31:26

NaTaN

Mac

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 10:36:42

natyd,

quote:
rite 1st time i ave repyled 2 ne thing b4, but i ave read most of wots been said, u r all basin things on human knowledge which are equations n ave unknowns in them, wot r u basing ur knoledge on?? wot we call "facts", they mite just be assumptions, i am only 14 but i ave a lot of noledge on real things n i aint no how, but we mite be just basing all our thinking on sumthing that mite be rong, it mite just be coincidence, that things work out, or not, but we dnt no that either, knolege is only an assumption or based on things that have fallen in 2 places conviently, its jus sumthing i ave been thinkin bout, i aint no much equations n stuff but i ave a lot of common sense

NaTaN

Actually, you seem to be very astute. Sometimes we may appear to say things that seem more confident than we actually are. We refer to "facts", "laws", etc, but actually "most" of us recognize that what we are saying is assumptions which describe the best explanations as of the time of writing and that scientific understanding changes all the time.

Nothing in science has been "Proven", there are "NO" laws. There is only repeatability, predictions and logic to express our understanding of what we see.

Welcome.

Knowing to believe only half of what you hear is a sign of intelligence. Knowing which half to believe can make you a genius.

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Meta

102 Posts

Posted - 11 Dec 2003 : 18:29:13

quote:
Originally posted by 1234567890

[quote]
[quote]
Call it a miracle if you want but it could actually be how Nature really works. What if the state of "nothing" is a condition for something to come into existence? Once there is something, the condition of "nothing" can no longer be achieved, so it becomes an irreversible process.

*************

We all know something cannot come from nothing. We are *****ed up by the shape of the "0". To our mind it means nothing....zero....zip. In history, the zero was used as a placeholder by accountants who used to poke a sharp stick into clay to make a "zero" or point. When you realize the hole in the clay or "0" is an expanded point.....an infinitely small point.....you may realize that the whole of universe can be represented by that one infinately small point. Then it occurs to you that "0" is actually all there is, in one small point, not nothing. I realized this some time ago and called it the Anu, which is shaped like a heart-shaped torus. This Anu is what space does.....spirals......and space is jam-packed with these spiraling vortexes.......and these vortexes are logarithmically packed (harmonic waves) inside even larger toroidal vortexes within a finite vortex called "our universe" which is moving across the surface of an even larger Megaverse called the Toroidal Universe which looks and behaves exactly like the smallest Anu unit. And this Toroidal Universe has a finite cycle but it cycles infinately, being a 4 dimensional structure at every level from the minute to the largest.

The Toroidal Universe http://www.rgrace.org/100/131toroiduni.html
The Anu http://www.rgrace.org/100/134anuqa.html

Meta

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Mac

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 11 Dec 2003 : 22:28:43

Meta,

You are making sweeping statements as though these links are some new evidence. They are theories and I don't see much in the way of research data or evidence to support them.

For those that know me, I recognize that I am speaking of myself as well.

However as far as Creation ex nihilo, I find you outright rejection of interest in that you must replace it with a better view.

Mine is Creation ex nihilo. N--------->(+s)+(-s) (the lastest revison of the origin formula); where "N" is "Nothingness", ------> is bifurcating into, +/- "s" or equal but opposite "Somethings". this simple expression shows that Creation ex nihilo can indeed occur without violating conservation. How that can happen is another matter. Mathematically it can.

"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien

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Meta

102 Posts

Posted - 11 Dec 2003 : 23:14:16

Im making sweeping statements because Ive made some sweeping studies in 40,000 books, all bibles, innumerable internet documents and technical documents.

Your lack of the same amount of study and contemplation is no excuse to impy that this idea is incorrect.

<< Mine is Creation ex nihilo. N--------->(+s)+(-s) (the lastest revison of the origin formula); where "N" is "Nothingness", ------> is bifurcating into, +/- "s" or equal but opposite "Somethings". this simple expression shows that Creation ex nihilo can indeed occur without violating conservation. How that can happen is another matter. Mathematically it can. >>

What your ex nihilo statement, above says, is that no.thing or the 0 generated the 1 which bi.furcated into 2 and you end there without taking it to 3 primaries and 4 elements. The argument is incomplete in that way.

Heres how it can happen. 0 is "1" vortex of space which produced an equal vortex of space. These "2" vortexes, rotating the same way, are grating against each other but they are just "1" pair. This is traditionally called "God/Satan". The 2nd vortex is antigone or antagonist. This is the first cooper pair. This is also 0 dimension...0=2. The next 2nd dimension=4 will rotate these 2 at 90 degrees, the 3rd dimension=6 will use 6 and the 4th dimension=8 will use 8.....all twice as many as we believe we see, in reality.......1/2 is always hidden so our electron measurments appear to rotate twice to return to its start again, called 1/2 spin.

So when you talk of dimension 0,1,2,3,4 you should think 0,2,4,6,8.

But lets keep it the simple 0,1,2,3,4: In this Toroidal Universe all levels from 0,1,2,3 and 4 with 4=0, are all toroidal with an inside and an outside upon a finite shape which cycles infinately, all of which solves all of the questions science may ask.

So we ask, "Whats outside the outside" The correct answer is, "The inside is outside of the outside"
We ask, "Is the universe flat, positive or negative curvature....it is all three somewhere upon the torus.
We ask, "Is the universe infinite or finite".....it is both because there are no infinities but the torus has a cyclic because space is curved and any curve, no matter how slight, will always curve back upon itself. This curve is the surface of the Toroidal Universe, and the torus cycles infinately.

And I am sure because I have seen all your other arguments and concluded, all of them fall short.

Meta
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Mac

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 12 Dec 2003 : 00:52:05

Meta,

quote:
Im making sweeping statements because Ive made some sweeping studies in 40,000 books, all bibles, innumerable internet documents and technical documents.

ANS: I'm not prone to join pis_ing contests but I will favor you with a bit of wisdom. You may or may not choose to absorb it.

1 - You may or may not be well read. Your reading may or may not be 40,000 in depth. I personally have my doubts. 40,000 doucments at the rate of 1 per day would mean you are 116 years old, assuming you started reading serious science when you were 6 in 1,894 AD.

Of course you could do the same amount of reading by reading 10 documents everyday for 11 years but I do think you have had a period of childhood, adulthood involving a job, perhaps a family and some days of relaxation and maybe a few sick days. So I don't buy your 40,000 plus claim.

2 - More important than ones volume of reading is what he reads. I am less than impressed with any number of Bibles and Internet Documents can be good but as I pointed out above, the ones you posted don't appear to be mainstream science. That doesn't automatically make them invalid but it is cause to take them with a grain of salt until more is known or understood about their accuracy.

quote:
Your lack of the same amount of study and contemplation is no excuse to impy that this idea is incorrect.

ANS: You are right. I don't claim to have read 40,000 on point documents at the forefront of science. That is because I don't choose to exagerate my status. I will say however, I am reasonably confident you have absolutely no knowledge about my education, reading habits, experience or knowledge.

So your personal attack is left for what it is "Blow Pie".

quote:
And I am sure because I have seen all your other arguments and concluded, all of them fall short.

ANS: I'll be sure to keep that in mind and if I am confused about something and need a straight answer, I know just where to find it - right? Bull Sh_t.

You are the most egotistical member I have seen here yet. You don't know a damn thing about me and you certainly haven't read "All my arguements". And if you found "All of them fall short". Then you stand alone since many of my arguements have prevailed in debates with many many others that frankly appear to be far more educated, knowledgable and considerate of alternative ideas than you seem to portray.

Where do you get the nonsensical idea that your view is correct and any that disagree are wrong. Boy have you got a lot to learn about science.

"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien

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tvanflandern

USA
2793 Posts

Posted - 12 Dec 2003 : 01:39:01

quote:
Originally posted by Mac

ANS: I'm not prone to join pis_ing contests but I will favor you with a bit of wisdom. You may or may not choose to absorb it.

Note that each of "Meta's" posts have been of the same immature, antagonistic type. The poster is a kid or a troll. Either way, don't let him/her rile you. If you see somehting mentioned that allows you to offer a bit of wisdom, and feel inclined to bestow it, go right ahead. Otherwise, I recommend ignoring the posts. This individual is presently unable to learn, so you will just frustrate yourself taking the posts at face value.

If he/she gets too annoying, I'll ask the webmaster to insist on courtesy or cancelation of posting privileges.

I'm sure it is purely a coincidence that Meta joined us just days after our previous problem poster left us.

-|Tom|-

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Mac

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 12 Dec 2003 : 02:23:32

Tom,

quote:
Note that each of "Meta's" posts have been of the same immature, antagonistic type. The poster is a kid or a troll.

ANS: Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't read any of his other posts. But I actually think the problem is more ego orientated than antagonistic. I was working on another post when I came back and saw your post above.

Have a look at it. He in fact makes a simular claim of reading on hs web site and does infact have a massive collection of material by other authors. What I don't see is any paper by him on any technical subject. I do see some ominus signs in some of the material he has archived as being required to "Find the truth".

Ans "Yes", I believe after this post I will ignore him.

Meta,

I have taken a brief journey to your site. I see you make the claim of reading 6 books every day (365 days per year for 18.5 years). Pardon me if I find that claim less than believable. It borders on outrageous but that is another issue. Just as you don't know me, I don't know you but I must judge you by invoking some logic and common sense and your claims tell me I must use extreme caution when considering anything you might say.

quote:
******************* From Your Site *********************
I've thumbed through and read in detail, about 6 books a day x 365 = 2,195 books a year x 18.5 years = 39,510 books, plus all World Bibles, all religious document finds such as the Nag Hammadi and Kaballah, all Scientific American Magazine archives from 1946 to 1998, innumerable Scientific Journals to 1998, related, archived Nasa documents to 1998, all related, archived microfiche documents from NASA indexes to 1998 and all relevant, archived past, bound magazines and internet documents relating to science, religion, metaphysics, esoterics and even occult, selecting what I considered facts and conclusions, and am still studying internet documents for updating, 6 years after finishing the book reading. I have a saying: "If it's there, I'll find it and read it".
**************************************************************

You state above that your archives are of those things you found to be factual and are a collection which (based on your unique ability to descern) represents a path to the truth. You have put forth such great effort to compile for us only those documents that we need to read and know the truth. I saw the following in your collection regarding "gravity and heat". Which goes to my point about not how much you read but what you read.

quote:
******************* From your Site ********************

Aside from the political controversy and personal arguments surrounding this story, Earthfiles reports an incident involving both heat and a levitation phenomena. A Brazilian man, sleeping in his bed, reportedly is lifted up off the bed and through the roof of his home and returned. The garments he wore for bed, were burned, but he was unharmed: ******************************************************************

This seemingly has meaning to you. (In all fairness to you I will admit here that I also saw many documents listed that I too have read and consider valid or at least worth considering further and researching.) But I also must say that I see a lot of mumbo jumbo garbage that is anything but science and that has great meaning to me.

It light of your personal attack on me, this is laughable.

The simple fact is that I made a Priori Prediction about "Gravity and Heat" of massive bodies in 1954. 10 years before it was infact measured by NASA in 1964.

I also predicted they would find the expansion of the universe was accelerating. That Priori was a mere 35 years in advance of scientific findings.

I predicted FTL objects would be found. Again a mere 40 years before they were.

I predicted that in deep space the formula D = V x T would be found to be invalid. The anomoly of the Pioneer and other deep space craft seem to be verifying that now (although science has not yet come to the understanding I reached almost a half century ago) and several years before Sputnik.

In my work I also made several other predictions which have been found true. So you can claim you have read a million books but I must ask you "How many Priori Predictions Have You Made?"

There is indeed a difference in reading what somebodyelse says and thinking for oneself. Your tone does not set well with me and I may well place you on "Ignore" on this MSB.

"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien

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n/a

20 Posts

Posted - 13 Dec 2003 : 22:48:35

ok look folks, every single number is a part of infinity. Just because something had a beginning does not mean it will have an end, and therefore it will become infinite. Of course, we will never REACH that point of infinite, because infinite is ever going. But I personally believe that somehow, somewhere the universe began from nothing, and depending on what the circumstances of nothingness were, sure it could be possible. Will it ever return to nothingness and start over? Hell, maybe it will or maybe it won't. Now, I personally find it hard to understand how something can just exist forever without ever being created. See, with 123's comment on conditions for nothingness being the condition for somethingness, makes sense. Stuff doesn't just HAPPEN, it has a reason. Now, the one thing to that is that if you look at it from a grander scale, if nothingness was the correct conditions for somethingness, then hell, nothingness didn't even last an instance of time and therefore, the universe IS and has existed infinitely through time. (Just some food for thought)

Marks of wisdom can come from even the most unlikely sources.

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Mac

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 13 Dec 2003 : 23:12:54

Origin,

[Quote] and therefore it will become infinite.[UnQuote]

This phrase tends to suggest a predetermined conclusion. If you meant to be properly critical it should read:

"and therefore it could become infinite."

"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien

Jan

Netherlands
287 Posts

Posted - 14 Dec 2003 : 05:07:59

Origin,

quote:
Now, I personally find it hard to understand how something can just exist forever without ever being created.

Just take some time to get used the idea, but it will feel natural eventually.

quote:
Stuff doesn't just HAPPEN, it has a reason.

That is why there can be no beginning.