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rush

74 Posts

Posted - 20 Jan 2003 : 01:53:16

I've found Meta Research Site very good for me
because I always thought that mainstream physicis
was playing fantasy instead of deal with reality.

In fact, when we took math and physics courses at the
University we are almost "forced" to follow our
professor's ideas, which is nothing more than old
wrong ideas that were propagated in a way that now it
becomes ridiculous.

I have a lot of issues in which I doubt about mainstream
physics interpretation. One of them is the wave/particle
duality of a photon. When you think about it logically
you got a simple answer: a particle can not be a wave
at the same time and vice-versa. Period.

But physicists tell you that sometimes a photon behaves
like a wave and sometimes like a particle. Well, we know
that light has a lot of wave properties that we conclude
by observation. So, a photon by no ways can be a particle.
It HAS to be a wave, or at least, something like a wave.

Anybody has the same thought? How do Meta Research Model deal
with this subject?

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tvanflandern

USA
2793 Posts

Posted - 20 Jan 2003 : 11:23:43

quote:
[rush]: physicists tell you that sometimes a photon behaves like a wave and sometimes like a particle. Well, we know that light has a lot of wave properties that we conclude by observation. So, a photon by no ways can be a particle. It HAS to be a wave, or at least, something like a wave. Anybody has the same thought? How do Meta Research Model deal with this subject?

The Meta Model (MM) says pretty much the same thing as you do. Light has many wave properties that cannot be duplicated by particles. There are just two experiments that imply particle properties for light: the photoelectric effect and the Compton effect. But both of these have possible wave explanations also. Therefore, light must be a pure wave.

The details for this and certain other quantum puzzles may be found in chapter five of Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets, available (among other places) through the Meta Research store at: http://metaresearch.org/store/advanced/default.asp. Best wishes. -|Tom|-

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rush

74 Posts

Posted - 20 Jan 2003 : 12:12:01

Thanks Tom.

It is a pleasure to hear it from a physicist.

I am really emotioned by have figured out that there
are people who did not loose the sense of reality.

I am also discussing black holes with some friends and
they insist that it can exist in reality. I'd like to
see your commnets, if you are able to do it, about such
subject. I've started a thread about it on "Big Bang
and alternatives".

Thank you.

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Jim

1607 Posts

Posted - 21 Jan 2003 : 11:42:58

How do you define a photon? It is a wave and that's it? Do you define a photon in the same way as main stream science does? (E=hf)

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tvanflandern

USA
2793 Posts

Posted - 21 Jan 2003 : 12:38:03

quote:
[Jim]: How do you define a photon? It is a wave and that's it? Do you define a photon in the same way as main stream science does? (E=hf)

In MM, light is a wave and that's it. In mainstream physics, light has a dual particle-wave nature, with its particle side named the "photon".

For example, in the photoelectric effect, shining high-frequency light on a metal surface ejects electrons. That is usually interpreted as caused by the collision of a "photon" with the electron. However, models exist in which all three photoelectric-effect phenomena can be caused by energy from light waves without need of colliding particles. -|Tom|-

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Jim

1607 Posts

Posted - 21 Jan 2003 : 13:23:52

What about the photon energy? Wave or particle the energy is calculated as E=hf in main stream theory. How do you calculate the energy of a wave of light?

Gregg

USA
368 Posts

Posted - 21 Jan 2003 : 15:45:25

>In MM, light is a wave and that's it.

A wave has to occur in a medium - the elysium. Presumably the elysium consists of "particles". So would the light wave consist of an oscillation of these particles in the same sense as a wave in seawater? Would these elysium particles actually possess the property of mass? So, when a "photon" hits an atom (or molecule) would this actually be the effect seawater lapping at a rock? i.e. it would be "millions" of particles nudging the rock rather than one "bullet" particle - called the photon?

Gregg Wilson

tvanflandern

USA
2793 Posts

Posted - 22 Jan 2003 : 00:35:41

quote:
[Gregg]: A wave has to occur in a medium - the elysium. Presumably the elysium consists of "particles". So would the light wave consist of an oscillation of these particles in the same sense as a wave in seawater?

Yes.

quote:
Would these elysium particles actually possess the property of mass? So, when a "photon" hits an atom (or molecule) would this actually be the effect seawater lapping at a rock? i.e. it would be "millions" of particles nudging the rock rather than one "bullet" particle - called the photon?

Also yes.

quote:
[Jim]: What about the photon energy? Wave or particle the energy is calculated as E=hf in main stream theory. How do you calculate the energy of a wave of light?

Exactly the same way. It's the same for water waves. -|Tom|-

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Jim

1607 Posts

Posted - 22 Jan 2003 : 15:33:37

If you use E=hf to fix the energy of a photon what you get is the energy of the Planck bundle. Why is this bundle called a photon? The Planck bundle can be determined from blackbody law to be a great many smaller units of energy equal to the universal charge unit.

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Mac

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 24 Jan 2003 : 00:37:38

Tom,

What you call "elysium", I believe is what I am calling the "Chiral Condensate". I'm not sure on that can you describe "elysium"?

Copied from a response post on UniKEF:

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Doppler shift may be entirely wrong or in some bifurcated way partially wrong. There are serious scientist questioning the function and meaning of the doppler shift. Then again it may be entirely correct. See #4 in the Introduction.

Paradoxes only exist if Relativity exists. Relativity only exists if the "Perception" of the constancy of the velocity of light is "Reality". Before concluding that such things are "Reality" you should consider and satisfy the (3) clock problem offered in "Time Dilation".

If you can't answer that then I don't think you can rightfully support Relativity; which means we need a different view of light propagation which produces the "Pereception of Constant Velocity Light".

One such thought is that the whole issue of Relativity (velocity of light), electron orbit jumping, tunneling and particle entanglement, are all functions of the Chiral Condensate.

Electrons vanish from one orbit and appear in another without existing inbetween and without traversing our spatial dimension or consume time in the process. We now believe that virtual particles appear and vanish in 1E-43 seconds at Planck length throughout every spatial ordinate in the universe.

My current view is that when an electron achieves the correct energy level, frequency, smile or whatever the criteria is, to be absorbed into the condensate, at that moment its counter part is released at another harmonic point by Pauli's Exclusion Principle. The electron doesnot teleport, it is absorbed and re-generated from raw stock down the line.

In that the Chiral Condensate appears to be some form of super-solid, one can see that if I have a steel rod so dense that it doesnot tolerate compression waves, when I push one end the other end of the rod moves at the same instant, even if it is 1,000,000,000 ly away. Assuming a linked surface to our dimension all along the surface particle messages are transmitted across the universe instantly.

This feature of the condensate resolves, particle entanglement, teleporting and tunneling. It also offers us the ability to view light as being a ripple in the condensate which can only be created when the energy is precisely v = c. Such that when you move relative to the source of the energy your velocity is additive or subtractive from the background condensate and you view the light at a new location where collectively the process equals the required v = c. YOU AREN'T SEEING THE SAME VIRTUAL PARTICLES THAT EXIST AS LIGHT.

Just as electrons appear to teleport, so has the light wave front. This moving light point creates the "illusion" that light has remained constant when in fact it isn't the same light but different light generated at the reqired v = c combined velocity.

I take that point and the function of creating light as being a Lorentz Contraction or dimensional collapse (being absorbed into the condensate). Consider a loose grip wheel with a slip clutch and flyball governor attached to a closed loop rope marked off in feet. The rope is being driven well above the maximum governor speed of the measuring device.

If I move up and down the rope the rope slips through the device at a variable rate. My velocity meter being driven downstream from the clutch would tell me the velocity doesn't change, even though logically (not knowing of the mechanical slip clutch arrangement in the box) I would think it must change.

But while the velocity isn't changing, I see the marks on the rope increasing frequency as I move forward against the vector of the rope motion and I see the frequency decrease as I move away from the vector of the ropes motion. (Doppler).

If I don't allow the rope slip to drift (in response to my motion)with my observation but constrain the rope to a fixed amount of slip, then as I move I drag the rope in my vector of motion and while its velocity would remain constant, so would frequency - NO Doppler.

So light is produced "On demand" at a location where conditions are correct and that is only where v = c.

Relativity does not exist. It is a principle based on FLAWS (False Logic About WaveS).

Mac

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tvanflandern

USA
2793 Posts

Posted - 24 Jan 2003 : 00:57:26

quote:
[Mac]: What you call "elysium", I believe is what I am calling the "Chiral Condensate". I'm not sure on that can you describe "elysium"?

"Elysium" was chosen for its phonetic similarity to "LCM" and for its meaning in Greek mythology. "LCM" was used in Dark Matter as an abbreviation for "light-carrying medium". Other theories speak of "aether" or the "space-time medium". Mathematically, it is described as gravitational potential, where potential corresponds to medium density.

Whereas in GR, light bends because of medium curvature, in MM it curves because of refraction. Many people have shown an exact mathematical equivalence of these two physically different interpretations. -|Tom|-

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dholeman

USA
79 Posts

Posted - 24 Jan 2003 : 02:30:26

quote:

Mathematically, it is described as gravitational potential, where potential corresponds to medium density.

Elysium is gravitational potential?

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tvanflandern

USA
2793 Posts

Posted - 24 Jan 2003 : 03:05:18

quote:
Elysium is gravitational potential?

In effect, yes, "gravitational potential" is a mathematical representation of elysium density. That density is imposed on an otherwise uniform medium by gravitational force. In other words, in MM, force causes potential, not the other way around.

Example: Consider the interior of a uniform spherical shell. Gravitational force is everywhere zero, but potential can be quite strong (although constant). Stronger gravitational potential means greater elysium density in this pure case where no forces are involved. -|Tom|-

Mac

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 24 Jan 2003 : 13:32:16

Tom & dholeman,

Thanks for the clarifications.

Mac