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[quote][i]Originally posted by tvanflandern[/i]
[br][quote][i]Originally posted by Jim[/i]
[br]I'm confused again-I thought the speed of gravity in SR&LR was the same as the speed of light and in MM was FTL. Now you say all these models have gravity at FLT or am I missing something else too?
[/quote]The two choices for gravity (meaning gravitational force) are near-infinite speed or no propagation at all because gravity is not a force. No one who knows what he/she is talking about claims that gravitational force propagates at speed c.

You are probably thinking of gravitational waves, which everyone (including me) agrees must propagate at speed c. However, gravitational waves have nothing to do with gravitational force, and in that way are really mis-named. Gravitational waves are waves of elysium, the light-carrying medium, also called space-time medium, aether, and gravitational potential field. Physicists used to think that the gravitational potential field caused gravitational force, but it now seems clear (to me, at least) that gravitational force causes gradients in the gravitational potential, not the other way around. -|Tom|-<span style="display: none">
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KoenigMKII	Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 15:53:41 Here is a link to a web site that has all the info on the recently launched NASA satellite. Surprisingly enough, the scientists responsible seem not have to have forgotten the scientific mehod, and have an open mind on the results. http://einstein.stanford.edu/ The obvious question for TVF is is "what does the Meta Model predict for the outcome of the experiment??"
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north	Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 21:02:21 Johnny i have Questions to some of your answers but i would like somehow to start at the begining of your theory. every time we discuss, something else is added,no problem with that except it makes it difficult to really think about your theory properly.your spin from the center much better,than the way i was thinking about your theory for example.so as i said before, from the start of your theory would be helpful.have you got something to send or e-mail for example? Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
rousejohnny	Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 17:04:57 North, but this does not mean that combining of these + & - energies did not happen extremly fast,are these energies literally at each end of a sphere and is there as of yet any structured matter, atoms,molecules and/or elements? ____________________________________________________________________ ans: yes there are molecules and atom, you are such structured matter. It did occur extremely fast, but not faster than the speed of light. North: but what would stop the energy from escaping the sphere before the split was halted? Ans: The spin created by the EMF would curve the expansion until it closed the Split. North: there is a contridiction here, first you say that a dense area seeks out a lower dense area,as in your idea that the mass of the universe has moved to the boundry of the universe,and then you say that the mass of a galaxy will fall "into" the vortex. think about this, which "plane" of the galaxy do we orient ourselves to,for if i invert the plane so that for arguments sake up is now down-down is now up so now the spiral arms rotate in the opposite direction which plane for the vortex do we use?,each plane is a legitimate and valid orientation with which both have vortices,which now cancell each other. this is why i agree with Halton's idea that matter is moving out and away from the center because no matter the orienation there is no contridiction. Meta Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 15:03:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I see your point, but there is no contradiction. The center of the sphere IS the souce of the spin and therefore is the source of greatest density in the CLOSED SYSTEM, it can move to the edge of the sphere, the rest of the matter within the sphere is subject to the forces of the center of spin that have now moved to the edge of the Closed System. It does not matter which plane of the Universal Vortex we use, the galaxies are a different subject. The Universal Vortex is a geometric model with a defined dynamic floating in a sea of endless elysium (only nothing possible). "Down" will always be the vertex and "up" will always be the base dynamically speaking. There may be more of them as Tom has convinced me that no one can claim there is a limit and I can't. But, I also cannot say with any more certainty that there are other systems. As for the galaxies, this is even far fetch speculation for me, but the Universal attraction by the vertex of the Universal funnel may generate conditions where a funnel shaped galaxy (lesser vortex) is highly unlikely if not impossible. Giving this "flatness" it may be that the attraction of the center of the galaxy is not as strong as the angular momentum generated on this flat horizontal plain we see in most spiral galaxies. It may be an issue of limitation on sub-systems (galaxies) generated by the Universal Vortex. Harp may be right in some cases, but not necessarily all. Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
tvanflandern	Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 15:38:06 quote: Originally posted by Meta Halton Arp is full of carp There is something fishy about that claim. -\|Tom\|- Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
Meta	Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 15:35:17 Halton Arp is full of carp Galaxies dont spin out mass. I still consider Arp as being of a highly developed theorist. Moreover, he is probably seeing answers, like me, to account for the seeming expansion of the universe on a galactic scale (4th van Flandern dimension). Since Arps Galaxies are spinning out mass in an opposite way of the center seeking vortex, he is trying to account for expansion by stating "Galaxies spin out mass". I dont see his documented evidence of this. Where are the facts? I do believe that there is NO expanding mechanism on a galactic scale however. Expansion happens at every 0 point of space. It should be the reflected wave that comes from the centers of all so called mass. But this is a spatial phenomena also, just as gravity is. Meta Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
north	Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 15:30:46 [quote]Originally posted by Meta Halton Arp is full of carp Galaxies dont spin out mass. I still consider Arp as being of a highly developed theorist. Moreover, he is probably seeing answers, like me, to account for the seeming expansion of the universe on a galactic scale (4th van Flandern dimension). Since Arps Galaxies are spinning out mass in an opposite way of the center seeking vortex, he is trying to account for expansion by stating "Galaxies spin out mass". I dont see his documented evidence of this. Where is the facts? I do believe that there is NO expanding mechanism on a galactic scale however. Expansion happens at every 0 point of space. It should be the reflected wave that comes from the centers of all so called mass. But this is a spatial phenomena also, just as gravity is. Meta _____________________________________________________________________ Ans: are you sure you read Halton's book? expansion explanation has nothing to do with his idea, it is strictly based on galaxies and their behavour,as well as a different reason for the redshifts seen. i have yet to read any proof that a vortex idea is valid, which vortex shall we use, this one,change orientation, invert 180 degrees,or that one? prove which one is right. as far as i'm concerned you can't. Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
north	Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 15:10:53 [quote]Originally posted by rousejohnny North: Ques: but would not + & - energy attract each other and actually cause an implosion?(what does "hemesheric" mean exactly)tried to look it up but found nothing.(did you mean "hemisphere"?) what caused the split? also why would something that is neutral now become + & -? Ans: I did mean hemispheric, sorry you went on a wild goose chase. The +/-cancellation would not occur instantaniously because all processes are divisible and time measurable, ____________________________________________________________________ Ans: but this does not mean that combining of these + & - energies did not happen extremly fast,are these energies literally at each end of a sphere and is there as of yet any structured matter, atoms,molecules and/or elements? ____________________________________________________________________ the strong nuclear force did not allow such an implosion or cancellation back to neutrality. The split occured the same reason some forms of neutron beta decay occur, some call it lazy neutrons, I prefer a plurality principal. Hemispheric means the split occured in a 3D spherical bipolar manner. ===================================================================== North: Outside what sphere? ____________________________________________________________________ Ans: The sphere above once it made a complete rotation by means of the EMF halted the split to generate a bounded sphere. ____________________________________________________________________ Ques: but what would stop the energy from escaping the sphere before the split was halted? ===================================================================== North: Ques: i'm not quite clear on this section,are you saying that the mass that was at the center of the universe has now moved to the edge(boundry) of the universe? ____________________________________________________________________ Ans: Yes, the center of the sphere accumulated a greater about of mass than any other part of the sphere. Like all fluid systems the more dense area sought a less dense area outside of the sphere and moved to the edge. The generated the vortex geometry my theory predicts. North: If this is true then why is not the rest of the galaxy(spirals)ripped apart? Ans: They will be once we approach the speed of light and fall "lower" into the Vortex and the force generated by the angular momentum reaches levels that will produce such an effect. ____________________________________________________________________ Ans: there is a contridiction here, first you say that a dense area seeks out a lower dense area,as in your idea that the mass of the universe has moved to the boundry of the universe,and then you say that the mass of a galaxy will fall "into" the vortex. think about this, which "plane" of the galaxy do we orient ourselves to,for if i invert the plane so that for arguments sake up is now down-down is now up so now the spiral arms rotate in the opposite direction which plane for the vortex do we use?,each plane is a legitimate and valid orientation with which both have vortices,which now cancell each other. this is why i agree with Halton's idea that matter is moving out and away from the center because no matter the orienation there is no contridiction.
Meta	Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 15:03:13 Halton Arp is full of carp Galaxies dont spin out mass. I still consider Arp as being of a highly developed theorist. Moreover, he is probably seeing answers, like me, to account for the seeming expansion of the universe on a galactic scale (4th van Flandern dimension). Since Arps Galaxies are spinning out mass in an opposite way of the center seeking vortex, he is trying to account for expansion by stating "Galaxies spin out mass". I dont see his documented evidence of this. Where is the facts? I do believe that there is NO expanding mechanism on a galactic scale however. Expansion happens at every 0 point of space. It should be the reflected wave that comes from the centers of all so called mass. But this is a spatial phenomena also, just as gravity is. Meta Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
rousejohnny	Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 12:02:44 North: Ques: but would not + & - energy attract each other and actually cause an implosion?(what does "hemesheric" mean exactly)tried to look it up but found nothing.(did you mean "hemisphere"?) what caused the split? also why would something that is neutral now become + & -? Ans: I did mean hemispheric, sorry you went on a wild goose chase. The +/-cancellation would not occur instantaniously because all processes are divisible and time measurable, the strong nuclear force did not allow such an implosion or cancellation back to neutrality. The split occured the same reason some forms of neutron beta decay occur, some call it lazy neutrons, I prefer a plurality principal. Hemispheric means the split occured in a 3D spherical bipolar manner. North: Outside what sphere? Ans: The sphere above once it made a complete rotation by means of the EMF halted the split to generate a bounded sphere. North: Ques: i'm not quite clear on this section,are you saying that the mass that was at the center of the universe has now moved to the edge(boundry) of the universe? Ans: Yes, the center of the sphere accumulated a greater about of mass than any other part of the sphere. Like all fluid systems the more dense area sought a less dense area outside of the sphere and moved to the edge. The generated the vortex geometry my theory predicts. North: If this is true then why is not the rest of the galaxy(spirals)ripped apart? Ans: They will be once we approach the speed of light and fall "lower" into the Vortex and the force generated by the angular momentum reaches levels that will produce such an effect.
north	Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 09:51:06 [quote]Originally posted by rousejohnny North, The hemesheric split of the neutrally charged elysium into positive and negatively charged energy created a universal spin that not only closed the system and stopped the split, but large amounts of matter accumulated in the center. ____________________________________________________________________ Ques: but would not + & - energy attract each other and actually cause an implosion?(what does "hemesheric" mean exactly)tried to look it up but found nothing.(did you mean "hemisphere"?) what caused the split? also why would something that is neutral now become + & -? ____________________________________________________________________ This matter in the center sought out an area of least density which is anywhere outside the sphere. ____________________________________________________________________ Ques: outside what sphere? _____________________________________________________________________ When the center of this spinning sphere moved to the edge of the sphere (anywhere on the edge) the center of mass created a Universal vortex as it continues to spin and accumulate mass. ____________________________________________________________________ Ques: i'm not quite clear on this section,are you saying that the mass that was at the center of the universe has now moved to the edge(boundry) of the universe? _____________________________________________________________________ In my model I am beginning to consider the Gamma Ray Burst as being the center of galaxies being ripped apart by the Vortex, which is an ever growing center that continues to build strength. ____________________________________________________________________ Ques: if this is true then why is not the rest of the galaxy(spirals)ripped apart? Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
rousejohnny	Posted - 14 Jun 2004 : 08:06:47 North, The hemesheric split of the neutrally charged elysium into positive and negatively charged energy created a universal spin that not only closed the system and stopped the split, but large amounts of matter accumulated in the center. This matter in the center sought out an area of least density which is anywhere outside the sphere. When the center of this spinning sphere moved to the edge of the sphere (anywhere on the edge) the center of mass created a Universal vortex as it continues to spin and accumulate mass. In my model I am beginning to consider the Gamma Ray Burst as being the center of galaxies being ripped apart by the Vortex, which is an ever growing center that continues to build strength. Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
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tvanflandern	Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 19:14:38 quote: Originally posted by north it sent no e-mail to me i was lucky, i did not respond to it,it seems to becoming from your end for i have no other problems outside of this site. i'm sure you have more direct communiction to the moderator than i. You have confused me completely. You said the message appeared on the "matrix forum", which I have not heard of. Now I'm guessing you meant another forum on this Message Board, probably the one in which I replied to you yesterday. You also said: "i've deleted this e-mail." I thought you were speaking of an e-mail message, not a forum posting. Now I don't have any idea what you were talking about that you deleted. Please explain. So I'm now guessing that you have a problem reading the last response from me to you in the "form and behavior of our(universe) spacial matrix" TOPIC in the "Gravity & Relativity" FORUM, posted on June 12. Is that correct? That message looks normal to me, so I'm now asking others reading this if anyone else sees a problem such as what North describes -- gibberish characters in that message. (Forum messages are text, and cannot by themselves have viruses any more than an e-mail can. Looking at them can do no harm. It's the links and attachments that can cause trouble.) -\|Tom\|- Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
north	Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 18:54:52 Tom by the way the gibberish with your message is becoming less.perhaps it is slowly being cleansed out.i hope!! Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
north	Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 18:38:19 TOM it sent no e-mail to me i was lucky, i did not respond to it,it seems to becoming from your end for i have no other problems outside of this site. i'm sure you have more direct communiction to the moderator than i.
tvanflandern	Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 18:29:15 quote: Originally posted by north it is only from your respones that i get this gibberish mixed with your message.all others are clear,before this i got this gibberish from all messages awhile back,but now all are clear but yours.this is why i let you know from this forum and not directly from the matrix forum.i also have protection i have sent e-mails out no problems here. I have never visited the matrix forum, and have not sent you an email within the last month. A message to you cannot originate on my computer without my knowledge because my address book is empty. You will need to look elsewhere for the cause. Contact the forum moderator and explain the problem. If I had to guess, I would suspect that the spambot that visited here a couple of months ago is now invading the matrix forum. It had my name and email from this forum, and continued to spam me for about six weeks. It seems to have no problem using aliases. If it send an email to you, it has your information too, and is probably now also impersonating you in messages to other parties. -\|Tom\|- Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
north	Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 17:27:59 Tom it is only from your respones that i get this gibberish mixed with your message.all others are clear,before this i got this gibberish from all messages awhile back,but now all are clear but yours.this is why i let you know from this forum and not directly from the matrix forum.i also have protection i have sent e-mails out no problems here.
tvanflandern	Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 17:10:30 quote: Originally posted by north i can not answer you on your response to the matrix forum your response has a virus.it is full of symbols and gibberish.i've deleted this e-mail. Because I have no idea what you are talking about, I suspect that a virus has simply taken by name and email address from yours or someone else's address book and used it to spoof a message. My computer has virus protection plus hardware and software firewalls plus daily scans for adware and spyware, and I long ago emptied my address book so it could not be used by a virus. So it seems unlikely that my computer is the origin of the message you received. -\|Tom\|- Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
north	Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 16:50:13 [quote]Originally posted by rousejohnny North, In the Big Split the homogenious nature of the elysium (matrix) is change in the split. When the negatively charged elysium and the positively charged elysium combine through the electrondynamic force, there is still an gross equal density, however within the closed system there is density differences with areas of greater density (matter) and less density (vacuum). This provides the matrix differeciation needed for the dynamics to occur. _____________________________________________________________________ Johnny i still don't see how this gives an overall vortex,you can get individual points of a vortex and these would clash with one another but not a universal vortex,perhaps you need to explain further. Tom i can not answer you on your response to the matrix forum your response has a virus.it is full of symbols and gibberish.i've deleted this e-mail. Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
rousejohnny	Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 11:05:56 North, In the Big Split the homogenious nature of the elysium (matrix) is change in the split. When the negatively charged elysium and the positively charged elysium combine through the electrondynamic force, there is still an gross equal density, however within the closed system there is density differences with areas of greater density (matter) and less density (vacuum). This provides the matrix differeciation needed for the dynamics to occur.
north	Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 09:44:52 [quote]Originally posted by rousejohnny North, If the Univers does behave in a fluid dynamic way and the original shereical expansion with mass accumulating at the center, the center with the higher accumulation of mass will seek out the area with the least mass density or the the edge of the sphere. Once it reaches the edge the Universal vortex is generated. Johnny _____________________________________________________________________ johnny seeking the least density i can see,the vortex i think is harder. for instance a vortex in water or air is possible because there is a surface at which when reached comes in contact with either a rareified matrix or a denser matrix in which it can seperate its self and has different properties than it's self. but problem i see is this, can a vortex become, in a submerged matrix with no surface and no change in density or properties? vortex also needs a certain amount of room,if there is a lack of room or reaches a boundry it will dissipate out instead of up and down. Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?

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