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[quote][i]Originally posted by AgoraBasta[/i]
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We have a radially compressive force on the outer spherical shell towards the inner one, but not an opposite and equal decompressive force on the inner spherical shell towards the outer one.
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And hence the pressure arises. How misterious![:o)]

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Jim	Posted - 24 Aug 2002 : 13:38:39 The moon has mass of it's own and it has a gravity field of it's own that moves the Earth according to GM=rv2. I think you are ignoring this obvious fact and adding the two masses together is only proper when the system is examined from another point in the universe outside the system itself. Doing this addition within the system gets the wrong result if you are looking to see the real effects the gravity fields induce in each other. The use of centers of mass needs to be seen as two centers-one at the Earth center-one at the moon center. Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
tvanflandern	Posted - 23 Aug 2002 : 19:32:54 quote: Now that the barycenter is clarified I am still puzzled about tidal force and the gravity statement GM=rv2. The moon is moving 81 times faster than the Earth I assume. Then the moon is not putting out anywhere the force it should according to GM=rv2. In GM = rv^2, M = mass of (Earth + Moon), r is mutual distance, and v is velocity of either body relative to the other. So there is only one value of M, r, and v, not two different values. Earlier, I agree that the Moon's speed relative to the barycenter was 81 times greater than Earth's, but then hastened to mention that no mass exists at the barycenter, so motion relative to the barycenter has no physical meaning. The law you cite defoinitely does not apply to motion with respect to any fictitious points such as the barycenter. It only applies to motions of real masses relative to one another. -\|Tom\|- Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
Jim	Posted - 23 Aug 2002 : 19:11:08 Now that the barycenter is clarified I am still puzzled about tidal force and the gravity statement GM=rv2. The moon is moving 81 times faster than the Earth I assume. Then the moon is not putting out anywhere the force it should according to GM=rv2. Since both masses are at the same distance only v2 can balance GM, and since Mm/Me is 1/81 then logically v2e/v2m=81 and v for Earth is 9 if v for moon is 1. The fact that the Earth v is 81/1 leads me to think there is something causing the Earth to be very much slower than it should be which is 9/1. Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
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tvanflandern	Posted - 23 Aug 2002 : 12:50:47 quote: [AB]: is the Sun wobbling consistently with the known composition of the Solar system? By definition, yes. If the Sun had some unexplained wobble, that would lead us to infer additional mass in the system. The most accurate data measuring this “wobble” is pulsar timing data. If the Sun moves in some direction, pulses in that direction arrive earlier than expected, and pulses from the opposite direction arrive later than expected. quote: And how is the observed "visible" Sun, after the corrections light transit times are made, placed wrt its magnetic field and its gravitational field? The Sun’s magnetic field is far too weak to detect from Earth. Inferences about it are made based on splitting of certain spectral lines. The visible and gravitational Sun differ because of the light transit time, and nothing else. That merely means that any undiscovered mass is distant enough to affect Sun and Earth only very slowly and almost identically. -\|Tom\|- Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
tvanflandern	Posted - 23 Aug 2002 : 12:44:03 quote: [LB]: I'm not sure WHY we would consider adding some masses to some systems. I was illustrating arbitrariness and lack of physical significance for the point called “barycenter”. All real systems have slightly uncertain masses and the possibility of other, unknown masses. These change the barycenter, but not the physics. I have some correspondents who attach physical significance to “barycenter”, and who derive things such as the centrifugal forces on various points on Earth’s surface due to their differing motions with respect to the Earth-Moon barycenter. This is physical nonsense. The motion of Earth with respect to the Earth-Moon barycenter has no more physical significance than its motion with respect to any other arbitrary point in space, such as the point midway between Earth and Moon. quote: When you specified "Earth-Moon" you clearly meant to exclude all other masses. True? In this case there is no ambiguity about the definition of the dynamical system or where the barycenter of that system is located. True? True. To the extent that “barycenter” is a computed point, its location is never ambiguous. The ambiguity arises from not knowing any masses exactly or completely, or where to draw the line about what to include. quote: If this question were to be reworded thus: "Is there any consistent data on the Sun's motion wrt the Sol-Jupiter (or Sol-Jupiter-Saturn, etc.) system barycenter?", I'm guessing the ambiguity would go away. True? There cannot be “data” about a barycenter for any system of masses because a barycenter is not a physical, observable point. It is a purely mathematical one. If you specify the masses, then the computation should be exact. But so what? quote: On the topic of calculating vs observing the barycenter of a system. Aren't we observing the barycenter of a star system (the star and whatever mass is within its gravitational sphere of influence) when we use the star's wobble to detect things orbiting it? No, we are just observing the relative motion of two bodies, as we always are. Once we have enough data to estimate the separate masses, we become able to compute an estimated barycenter location. But we have no way to observe that location. And if we later discover another planet or a distant dwarf star in the same system, so that the barycenter jumps, that does not invalidate our previous work. quote: Is there a different term for the center point of this wobble? No, same term. quote: Since this is an observable point in space, it would seem not to be the same in general as barycenter. It is not observable. It is inferable. We observe the relative motion between bodies. As we do so, we may learn of a short-period orbiter soon. 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AgoraBasta	Posted - 23 Aug 2002 : 09:11:01 So now my question would be - is the Sun wobbling consistently with the known composition of the Solar system? And how is the observed "visible" Sun, after the corrections to light transit times are made, placed wrt its magnetic field and its gravitational field? Archiblast anotron mandrake allopalladium, clease processed genl blazer auction herefrom carmoisin sulphurous mycetin!
Larry Burford	Posted - 23 Aug 2002 : 08:23:44 [tvf] The example is intended to illustrate how arbitrary "barycenter" is. It applies to all the masses under consideration. That line can be drawn wherever we please. A "universe" (dynamical system) consisting of Sun, planets, and Alpha Centauri is just as valid as one consisting of Sun and planets only. Barycenter can be equated with "center of mass". ====== I guess I'm not making myself clear. I understand THAT we can include any mass in our definition of a dynamical system. But I'm not sure WHY we would consider adding some masses to some systems. Rather than try to rephrase my original question, though, let me try a different approach. Just before AB asked his question about the barycenter of the solar system (to which you made your reply referencing Alpha Centauri) you had mentined the barycenter of the Earth-Moon system. When you specified "Earth-Moon" you clearly meant to exclude all other masses. True? In this case there is no ambiguity about the definition of the dynamical system or where the barycenter of that system is located. True? AB specified the Solar system in his question. No specific masses were explicitly mentioned, so the definition of the dynamical system is ambiguous, and open to modification. True? (Damn! You have been Tholenized! Seriously though, it is important to be precise. Ambiguity leads to many misunderstandings and disagreements.) AB's question was: "Is there any consistent data on the Sun's motion wrt the Solar system barycenter?" If this question were to be reworded thus: "Is there any consistent data on the Sun's motion wrt the Sol-Jupiter (or Sol-Jupiter-Saturn, etc.) system barycenter?", I'm guessing the ambiguity would go away. True? On the topic of calculating vs observing the barycenter of a system. Aren't we observing the barycenter of a star system (the star and whatever mass is within its gravitational sphere of influence) when we use the star's wobble to detect things orbiting it? We can also look at Sol and see it wobble. But in this case we can identify just about all of the mass causing that wobble. Is there a different term for the center point of this wobble? Perhaps "wobblecenter"? Since this is an observable point in space, it would seem not to be the same in general as barycenter. Of course if you pick your dynamical system carefully it could be the same point. Regards, LB Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. 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tvanflandern	Posted - 22 Aug 2002 : 23:36:25 quote: WHY would we want to allow for the possiblilty of including Alpha Centauri when determining the barycenter of "the Solar system"? Doesn't your example describe the approximate location of the barycenter of the Solar/Alpha Centauri "system"? The example is intended to illustrate how arbitrary "barycenter" is. It applies to all the masses under consideration. That line can be drawn wherever we please. A "universe" (dynamical system) consisting of Sun, planets, and Alpha Centauri is just as valid as one consisting of Sun and planets only. Barycenter can be equated with "center of mass". quote: Specifying "the Solar system" should exclude things like the Centauri triplets or the Sombrero Galaxy. My point is just as valid if I said "include the mass of hypothetical Planet X with a Jupiter-sized mass orbiting the Sun at a distance of 1000 au". That is certainly a legitimate part of the solar system, yet would drag the barycenter out to the Earth's orbit. The Earth sometimes would go right through it. But nothing we can observe changes. -\|Tom\|- Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
tvanflandern	Posted - 22 Aug 2002 : 23:26:56 quote: [Jim]: The moon then by this logic orbits 81 times faster than the Earth? So the GM=RV^2 rule must be false since it indicates the moon orbits 9 times faster. 81 times faster is correct. The law you cite refers to the orbit of the Moon relative to the Earth, or to any real circular orbit and its center. It does not apply to motion around fictitious points such as the barycenter. No mass is located at the barycenter. quote: :And is the moon tide very much bigger than the tide on Earth? The Moon tide is nearly 1000 times larger than Earth tides. That is partly because Earth's mass is so much larger than the Moon's, and partly because the Moon does not rotate, so the "tide" (or bulge, if you prefer) is permanent. -\|Tom\|- Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
Jim	Posted - 22 Aug 2002 : 11:52:07 The barycenter is a model that balances the two mass centers as one would do on a balance scale. It is in common use today and no one thinks that is wrong because it has been in use for a few centuries. The error with this model is that in a dynamic system the static balance is not stable due to the fact the smaller mass is spinning way to fast to be offset by the slower and larger mass. The model is bogus. Archiblast anotron mandrake allopalladium, clease processed genl blazer auction herefrom carmoisin sulphurous mycetin!
Larry Burford	Posted - 22 Aug 2002 : 07:41:24 [ab] Is there any consistent data on the Sun's motion wrt the Solar system barycenter? Also, is there any difference in motion of the Sun's geometric centre and its magnetic field centre? [tvf] The Sun's motion wrt the solar system barycenter is calculated because the barycenter cannot be observed. In fact, its location is a matter of arbitrary definition, and not of physics. For example, if we include Alpha Centauri along with the Sun and its planets in our dynamical system, the barycenter moves half-way to Alpha Centauri without any observable consequences. ====== This is rather unexpected. I'm intrigued. Assuming that you are not pulling our leg, WHY would we want to allow for the possiblilty of including Alpha Centauri when determining the barycenter of "the Solar system"? Doesn't your example describe the approximate location of the barycenter of the Solar/Alpha Centauri "system"? I've never seen a formal definition of barycenter - from context I had always assumed it was the technical term for center of mass. My CRC doesn't mention it and the Internet says "...center of mass...". The location of a center of mass obviously depends on which masses you are talking about. Specifying "the Solar system" should exclude things like the Centauri triplets or the Sombrero Galaxy. What am I missing here? Regards, LB Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
Jim	Posted - 20 Aug 2002 : 20:42:24 The moon then by this logic orbits 81 times faster than the Earth? So the GM=RV2 rule must be false since it indicates the moon orbits 9 times faster. And is the moon tide very much bigger than the tide on Earth? Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
tvanflandern	Posted - 20 Aug 2002 : 16:29:37 quote: [AN]:Is there any consistent data on the Sun's motion wrt the Solar system barycenter? Also, is there any difference in motion of the Sun's geometric centre and its magnetic field centre? The Sun's motion wrt the solar system barycenter is calculated because the barycenter cannot be observed. In fact, its location is a matter of arbitrary definition, and not of physics. For example, if we include Alpha Centauri along with the Sun and its planets in our dynamical system, the barycenter moves half-way to Alpha Centauri without any observable consequences. I am unaware of any observable distinction between the Sun's geometric center and its magnetic field center. Such a thing might exist, as it does for planets; but I've not heard of it for the Sun. -\|Tom\|- Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
AgoraBasta	Posted - 20 Aug 2002 : 16:16:17 Tom, Is there any consistent data on the Sun's motion wrt the Solar system barycenter? Also, is there any difference in motion of the Sun's geometric centre and its magnetic field centre? Hardly this question belongs in this thread, but I just have no idea where to stick it. Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
tvanflandern	Posted - 20 Aug 2002 : 15:56:47 quote: [Jim]: The point is the small mass is moved and the large mass is not moved. That statement is in error. The small mass makes the large body move too, in proportion to its own small mass. For example, both Earth and Moon raise tides on one another. Earth makes the Moon move in a large orbit, and the Moon makes the Earth move in a smaller orbit (81 times smaller, because the Moon has 81 times less mass). So the Earth-Moon barycenter (the point that orbits the Sun in an elliptical orbit) is located about 1000 miles inside the Earth, about 1/4 of the way to the center. And the center of the Earth revolves around the barycenter once each lunar month. -\|Tom\|- Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. Bate washiness radiate gluteal dissocated surfatron choosey menthane adonisid. generic tadalafil generic viagra online fluoxetine viagra maxalt unwrapping tegretol avodart methotrexate tuffcrete tramadol online compear cordarone hyzaar ashwagandha advil hydrocodone online cialis and generic wellbutrin cheap soma acai berry supplement diazepam diovan requip paxil cr rimonabant detrol cheap cialis porphyrinuria pepcid accupril viagra soft alendronate aricept buy meridia hytrin buy soma ultracet saw palmetto levitra online aciphex weight loss acai side effects plavix urd tramadol premarin cardizem triphala cialis tadalafil mobic coreg synthroid paxil cr amoxicillin dosage alprazolam avandamet weight loss esomeprazole usurer next arboretum norvasc avapro aciclovir soma online gabapentin cialis ototoxic order ambien prilosec ampicillin sonata celexa cits aricept spine ranitidine cephalexin cialis online allegra buy xenical cialis vs stromectol abilify imitrex topamax projecting cheap tramadol cephalexin 500mg generic xanax antabuse clopidogrel buy tramadol online acataleptic zoloft aldactone hematic hyzaar stairwell actos detrol dielectropneumography keppra propecia online porphyrinic zyprexa rhinocort order soma sumatriptan hydrocodone acetaminophen aciphex losartan neuroprocessing adipex online zoloft diazepam ginseng tea risperdal feldene interconnector propecia coq10 generic zoloft atarax adipex p backhouse wellbutrin sr digicon prozac biography lanoxin dramamine aero tamiflu buy valium online zetia preputial vicodin prescription requip perissodactyle maker paxil sprawl hesperetin zimulti sumatriptan acai diet manway levofloxacin foundling yasmin zyrtec d nexium con overdamming plainness aldactone generic xanax singulair cialis levitra rheography generic cialis generic zoloft coq10 flagyl wellbutrin avodart skelaxin ventolin levitra vs designingly effexor xr hoodia gordonii robaxin azithromycin ultracet xanax online avapro digoxin ventolin stilnox bupropion sildenafil citrate calan stepson uranous hydrocodone purchase valium acai berry supplement pepcid advair diskus zovirax lexapro femara effexor withdrawal phentermine discount neurontin regelated clarinex buy diazepam retin adipex p atrovent reglan buy cheap phentermine generic tadalafil trazodone digoxin bulimic synthroid ambien online skelaxin diamox tramadol drug counterpartner ionamin avodart omeprazole ventolin acai supplements cheap xanax kyphoic lopid flomax side effects semitrailer cialis 20mg fluoxetine skelaxin brand viagra gneissoid hydrocodone apap tramadol medication levitra phenergan echinacea tegretol equifinality avandamet advil lunesta generic cialis aspirin buy xanax online Callous photogenerator squarely scop greedy! Pain optically combinative. Impassivity surgery.
Jim	Posted - 20 Aug 2002 : 12:35:14 Well for the third or fourth time I aggree with you about acceleration of gravity. The point is the small mass is moved and the large mass is not moved. This result is why the large mass has tides and the small mass has velocity. You can pick on the model here since both masses are effected the same in one sense and differently in another sense.