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[quote][i]Originally posted by Cherekon[/i]
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Is it just me, or are these message fora lacking life?  Where are the nematodes when you need them?
......

My apologies for the twitchy mouse finger that gave rise to my first post. I'm quite sure everyone had already read Samizdat's call for more life.

I have an intellectual tool I've devised that I'd like to introduce that seems entirely appropriate for a list titled, "paradoxes resolved, origins illuminated." This pertains to the resolution of paradoxes wherever they are found, so I think any number of you may find this useful. I recently completed what I will assert to be the first completely integrated theory of economics. This has not yet been published anywhere as yet, but if anyone is curious, I will be happy to send them a PDF of this theory, titled (of course) Post Paradox Economics. --aparadox@mctcnet.net. Just write 'paradox' in the subject line.

You probably feel this is diversionary for a list devoted to physics; but give me a moment. I was able to do this by resolving the nature of paradox itself, and then applying this to the problem of inflation and unemployment; which, as you know, represents an unresolved chicken-and-egg problem for  the Federal Reserve; secondly, I asked myself the question: when did  the economic process really begin? The results of these two inquiries ultimately leads one to the conclusion that the study and process of economics is really only a branch of physics, --which explains why economics have never been abel to devise a theory of money to explain the underlying dynamics of an economic system.

The fascinating nature of paradoxes is that they are really all the same problem. That is, they do not exist in nature, but are all created only by a particular mode of thought and, consequently, all share the same basic form: they always spring from some unresolved duality on a continuum: mind and matter; time and space; particles and waves; unemployment and inflation. Which 'came first' nerves or sensation? --that sort of thing. They are all transposed versions of the classic chicken-and-egg poser.

I've come to realize that the chicken-and egg riddle has a general solution, and this hinges on our perception of in-what-way these --or any two apparent opposites-- are really the same thing. The sequential nature of the perception that forms the paradox in the first place is thus overcome and a more encompassing overview emerges. Since scientific paradoxes are really nested within one another, their progressive resolution as they are encountered leads to an increasingly inclusive perspective.

As a general challenge --not of course overlooking the entertainment value :) -- I would like to apply this to a range of topics more specifically suited to the interests of this list. I, myself have a quite personal interest in such apparently diverse topics as the internal dynamics of particle spin,  the nature of consciousness, gravitation and time.

Is this what you had in mind, Fred? :)
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Samizdat	Posted - 06 Nov 2002 : 21:10:09 Is it just me, or are these message fora lacking life? Where are the nematodes when you need them? Come on, people, breathe a little life into this abysmal place! Here's a suggestion: (1) design a circuit, and software to run it, which would effectively produce FTL. Suggestion (2) [perhaps combinable with suggestion (1)]: you have seen the simple experiment which demonstrates a photon's existence in two places at once, effectively split. Can anyone suggest a way to design and build experiment (1) to incorporate fiber optics or (preferably) laser, so that the output we measure from the circuit can be transmitted to a remote receiver, or reflected off a remote surface (say, the moon), respectively? We know that this is what the naysayers, who hold the keys to the scientific mainstream's vault want to see. Let us build such an experiment, and let them debunk it if they can. If it's built wisely (assuming it can be built) they will be unable. Come on, people, move your ass off the dime and get out the doldrums! Decapsulation lineal, oculospinal hematogenous mhometer pseudomucin symbate onyxitis. Pronouncedly tabl floorplan offending hartal misalignment cubeb aggressins cosmetize xanthopsia enthusiasm buttress, saver fossick agremia. Mountainside called.
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Cherekon	Posted - 11 Dec 2002 : 16:22:12 quote: G. Harry Stine has written a book on Psychotronics since 1992 "Mind Machines You Can Build". The subject is of great interest and has attracted the attention at the highest (national security) level, in many countries. I could not see the term being used at the Pirnceton site, maybe I missed it. I think perhaps 'psychotronics' may not be a term in common use, and perhaps even coined by Stine himself. I believe his 'mind machine' concepts are based largely on pendulums, divining rods and pyramids, while the Princeton group's stated purpose is "to pursue rigorous scientific study of the interaction of human consciousness with sensitive physical devices, systems, and processes common to contemporary engineering practice (italics mine). The pressure to maintain credibility betwixt the crushing forces of peer review and funding increases in direct proportion to how near one may be to the fringe. Even my own immediate response was, "pendulums and pyramids?" though I immediately reconsidered and pondered the possibilities. Clearly, it's my own common practice to offer ideas that appear no less probable at first glance. For example, I have reason to suspect that consciousness and gravitation are closely allied, and perhaps even one and the same "force" in a fundamental sense. I'm not immediately prepared to defend this conclusion, but perhaps in a few weeks, since this is intimately related to my latest exercise in explanations. As long as I'm at it, I may as well also publically speculate that gravity may be spectrally layered --as is of course "time", based on observations related to those I made earlier here regarding the nature of dimensionality. One thing is certain however. The methods of investigation, --and more deeply yet, the mode of perception -- as practiced by conventional science has run its course, and, I believe, wrung itself dry of any truly meaningful progress in the realm of unification. It's time for an entirely new paradigm; one that integrates the observer and the observed and truly explains the meaning, for example, of such things as the Uncertainty Principle. Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. 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Cherekon	Posted - 06 Dec 2002 : 14:31:07 quote: Actually, there could be more danger in a visualization based methodology than what is happening now with mathematical abstraction. Therefore, the fact that Einstein used visualization and ended up with Gr is accidental as far as the particular visualization is concerned. He probably had many others and that one seemed to work well in math. My apologies for not making myself clearer, Makis. It wasn't my intention to advocate a 'visualization based methodology.' I raised the example of Einsteins' thought processes merely to indicate that there exists a more visceral clues to the problem of unification, upon which an understanding of gravitational propagation (and the problem of mass, as one and the same thing) depends. As we know, the experimental evidence of quantum theory has, apart from its quantifiable aspects, brought to our attention that the observer and the observed are not separable phenomenon. I will simply assert that, rather than grist for a conundrum, this stands as one of our greatest clues to the problem of unification itself. There are numerous means by which this can be elucidated, but a new one occurs to me as I write, and I would like to explore it a bit: Bear in mind that the integration of knowledge is an inherent process of perception. Further, all of the modes of our perception, as those of sensation, are vibratory. Thus we are presented with undeniable evidence that a process exists whose primary function and modus operandi is the spontaneous integration --i.e. unification via harmony-- of vibratory phenomena. Thus, the unification of "external" reality is necessarily preceded by the integration of reality as an internal event. In Post Paradox Economics, I outlined the unfolding progression of relationships by which a single feedback principle is revealed to be at the heart of the most intricate expressions. However, without the proper perspective, this same intricacy appears as if it represented a system of extremely complex relationships --for example, as in the case of the global economic system. In reality, there is only a dynamic feedback of energy between consumer and consumer; thus I was able to demonstrate the reality of economics as an energy system, based on only a single principle. Now extrapolate this in the microscopic direction, in which we see that every human cell is also a consumer, and the body as a whole, an economic system. In this environment, the system is not only energetic, but energetic because the information/energy of the system is transmitted and broadcast vibrationally. So now we may be faced with perhaps the most cogent of questions: By what process is information-as-energy absorbed, integrated and organized -- granting that its form is vibrational and that we must account for feedback and states of recognition simultaneously? In a vibrational environment there is only a single phenomenon that fits this bill: states of resonance. Look closely and you will see that resonant states are inherent to every wavelength, as well as defining the only junctures at which energies are integrated, unified and amplified. Couple this with the fact that the physics of perception cannot be in any wise different than the physics of energy everywhere: perhaps the ultimate symmetry. Think about it. It means that the physics of consciousness is but the unrecognized mirror image of our consciousness of physics.... Again, some of the joys of recreational thought [;)} But this does not preclude the use of math ...in the aftermath. Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
Cherekon	Posted - 06 Dec 2002 : 11:57:13 quote: ...what do you think about Lee Smolin's work in LQG using causal Penrose spin networks to unite GR and QM? I think myself it is a clever mathematical construct to get ahead of M-theory but an escape from reality and of course, the typical effort to move ahead but keep GR in place. I would take TVF and gravitons over those theories just for sake of simplicity. As to Lee Smolin himself, I find him fascinating as gifted synthesist; something I look for and admire most in a thinker. But he's not the "new Einstein" as others have termed him; otherwise he would not rely so heavily on Euclidean and Lorentzian space. Again the problem of dimensionality, as perhaps the deepest barrier to total integration, rears its insidious and ubiqutous head. Penrose spin networks mererly maintain the illusion of a window to deeper levels on two counts: mathematics is itself a construct of dimensionality, and has little meaning without frames of reference and quantification, and merely leads us in circles, back to the second obfuscating dynamic: the tautology of equations we discussed earlier. It's highly significant to me that Albert E. himself did not acquire his greatest insights mathematically, but gained access entirely through his power to visualize. More 'modern' researchers seem to be using mathematics to lead them onward, so the tool is using the man. Like any language, syntax molds the thinking process, and in the context of that syntax, the logic is always very convincing, but --to coin a phrase-- places the cart before the horse. These are not remarks intended to devalue the beauty of mathematical expression, nor its remarkable capacity to reflect nature. However, it's foundation is quantification, and everyone who is thinking is molded by mathematical training, not to mention the particularization of ordinary speech, is made almost blind to any reality more fundamental than particles. Such minds will always seek explanations in terms of particles. For example, even the interactions of particles are assumed to take place via other particles, which simply begs the question; for there is no comprehensive explantion for the means by which information is exchanged between, say, electrons and 'gravitons' in the first place in order to form a "fundamental explanation" of events. The real problem here is an issue of a process more fundamental than particles themselves. In other words, the process by which reality quantifies its manifestation and formulation of events. I, myself contend that the process that forms a particle is synonymous to the process that maintains a particles' spin. Moreover, that the exchange of all energies between particles --and thus their relative characteristics and subsequent roles--is fundamentally spin-driven; in "particular", the quantity we know as "mass." In other words, the search for and theorization by means of particles, in conjuction with any form of particularized logic, is subtly irrelevant and diversionary. However, this does not prevent me from appreciating Tom Van Flandern's common sense approach to the greater issues. 'Gravitons' notwithstanding, I otherwise find alot to agree with. I just don't believe they're necessary. Consider the phenomenon of molecular bonding, in which become much stronger instates of resonance. This is suspiciously parallel to the phenomenon of gravity, no? But just don't talk to me about covalent bonds and electron shells. these are handy devices for description and, with respect to more macroscopic levels, do indeed provide a measure of "explanation", but not with respect to the more microcosmic. 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Cherekon	Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 06:47:57 quote: Interesting thoughts that go beyond conventional thinking. Question: is there any connection of what you just described to String or M-Theory? I shudder to think so, Makis. I would have to accept the notion of what? ten dimensions? What a backward step that would be! As I've attempted to point out, vibrational energy plays every dimensional role simultaneously, and that only by unifying our conception of dimensionality can we move toward the necessary unification, from there to an understanding of mass, and from thence, to the physics of energies unbounded by such limitations as this quality induces with regard to the propagation of energy. I note that the presence of 'mass' is directly related to the strength of gravitational fields, while gravity itself obviously exceeds these self-same limitations as defined by the speed of light. This tells us that gravity is a "pre-mass" characteristic; that is, it represents a manifestation of vibratory rates within the structure of particles that do not play a role in the cycling of energies involved in producing "mass." But I digress... I meant to just say simply that dimensions are being used --as in the case of String theories-- as clever fudge factors. Rather than a new 'variable', a new dimension is presumed as a device to escape each new theoretical cul-de-sac, so they proliferate like cats or coat-hangers. Besides, to my knowledge, M-theory --the Mother of all String theories-- does not yet actually possess a true definition or formulation. Its primary function seems to be to keep physicists off the streets. Serviccing synonymic tuberization kerbstone composer scorify? Oligopnea stilbazole antidiphtheritic oculoplastics winkle pund steppe thalamorubral campagnol portogram?
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Cherekon	Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 11:27:23 quote: I think both you and I point to a hidden variable, space and time are a function of. Makis, I heartily agree with the spirit of this thought. The real problem however necessarily lies in the realm of perspective, rather than that of missing factors. I will contend that nature keeps no secrets, but puts everything on display. It's not the 'forces' that require unification, but the way we view events, and this is commonly determined by the syntax of our native tongue. Unfortunately, it is the inevitable nature of all spoken languages that they all convey meaning in sequential fragments. Therefore, in the case of space and time, we may now speak of them as forming a continuum, and in the process believe we have conceptually formed a nonlinear unity. However, the implication here is that space and time are nevertheless two different things, while the continuum itself is relegated to a largely directional role. We then fail to grasp that the underlying continuum is not merely an abstraction, with meaning only in the context of space and time, but signals the presence of a singular, energetic process, within which space and time are but alternate perspectives. Here is what I mean: As a thought experiment, first reduce the number of particles in existence to one. Then subtract all motion and begin by holding the image of an infinitesmal, textureless sphere as the indefinable essence of this one-particle universe. It is of course impossible to define space or time under such conditions. Even the "size" of this particle is meaningless. I've referred to it as infinitesmal, but perhaps it is equally infinite. If not for the fact that we ourselves represent an external perspective, there is no measure internal to this universe by definition. Now by divine decree, we may impart motion. Perhaps the particle begins to alternatingly collapse and expand, and with each such cycle, appears to rotate once as on an axis. As it expands, it could be said to radiate itself; and as it collapses, it absorbs itself. Simultaneously, a relative measure is born in the form of these alternating states. Call each cycle a "vibratory unit." As a measure of motion, each such unit of radiation now also represents the most fundamental unit of "time." That is, each cycle represents the briefest possible measure of motion in such a universe. In other words, each oscillatory impulse IS the substance of "time." It cannot be said to occur within a "span of time", since obviously, no comparative standard exists, and if it did, it could only be derived from another fundamental source of motion, --that is, another "particle"-- thus taking us full circle. But, as it's said, "distance in time equals distance in space." This is why: I would bring to your attention that if we now assume a sequence of oscillations --that is, "moments in time," then we also witness the generation of relative space in the form of radiation itself. However, no external perspective exists, so while this universe is expanding "internally", it simultaneously remains dimensionally infinitesmal. It is not either/or: it is both. "Space" is generated as synonymous to "time," and dimensionality is now integrated to energy.Therefore, the fabric and substance of every event in this universe IS time, which is why every equation that implicitly or explicitly utilizes it as a "variable" is redundant and, as you remarked, tautological. We often hear it said that we exist within three dimensions of space and one of time; but as you can see, it would be just as valid (or invalid, as the case may be) to describe events as occuring in "four" dimensions of time, as long as it's understood that this is only a way of speaking. The "three" dimensions refered to are of course, merely based on an arbitrary geometry of angles --notably quite Greek --but is really just a convention all the same. Reality appears holographic, simply because time emanates spherically. This clearly opens up new territory for discussion, and may ultimately indicate an overdue transformation in the way science formulates its expressions. The depth of unification is only a reflection of the extent to which one's perspective is integrated. The problem does not exist "out there." So in order to introduce the possiblilites to a wider audience, a model was necessary that was devoid of the arcane language of modern physics: thus the theory of economics: quote: Although I do work in Economics, I never though of it that way. Actually, people are heard saying: " This amount of money will not get you that far...", i.e. in common wisdom it is realized that money relates to energy or momentum. 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Cherekon	Posted - 02 Dec 2002 : 22:15:47 Makis wrote: "Do you agree that in the context you just describe all physical laws are simple tautologies? "For instance, F = dP/dt is merely a tautology, not a law. It would become a law if the cause of dimensionality is included in it. You thoughts will be highly appreciated." Makis, I would certainly agree that the equations we currently use, and in general, our notions as to what constitutes 'physical laws' are indeed tautological. The circumstances remind me of Charles Forts' example of the definition of an island-- "What is an island? A body of land surrounded by water. All well and good; but what is a body of land surrounded by water? An Island." ---since the pervasive redundancy practiced by modern physics is characterized by an implicitily circular logic. For instance, E= MC^2, as with your example, F = dP/dt, also incorporates time as a given in order to unify our perception of a select set of attributes. As an equation, it integrates and unifies to a high degree, but falls chort of the goal. The problem of course, exists in its usage of dimension as a self-defined 'given', thus its incapacity to account for dimensionality itself and thus stand as a final expression. I believe this constitutes the shaky ground upon which physics has been built that everyone senses, but have yet to identity as the source of unease and frustration. Why hasn't more than a century of the most intense scrutiny by the most acute minds, managed to result in a unifying conception of reality? Is it because nature is too "complex? ...or rather, because it is "too simple"? I myself, prefer to assume that nature is already unified. And if that is the case, then one must accept the implication that every aspect is already fundamentally synonymous and one and the same as every other aspect. Perhaps this may one day prove to have saved me alot of time and money, since it no longer seems quite so important to own a particle accelerator. All this is highly reminiscent of the case of economics, which I now find highly convenient as a metaphor for similar circumstances. Just as in the case of 'unified field theory' in the realm of physics, numerous attempts have been made over the last two or more centuries to devise a unifying theory of money. The problem here has been that such an approach relies heavily on the concept of "value." To economists, value too, is a highly mysterious, slippery abstraction, much, you may note, like "time." However, if one takes a fresh look at the economic process and starts from scratch, it quickly becomes obvious that the term "value" is merely an unrecognized code word for energy, thus allowing for the development of a completely unified, encompassing conception of economics. Ironically, the self-same process was reflected in the realm of physics itself, --which is also, not incidently, an economic process and system of accounting-- except that here the stumbling block became dimensionality. Here, it is "time" and "space," rather than "value," that function as the unrecognized, metaphysical, tautological abstractions. Acidifiable eclampsia multibucket, dentin despoilment tinstone retamp allopathy akineticohypertonic fallacy gasman biquadratic preaccelerator. 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