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cosmicsurfer Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 06:16:33
Since the original "Antigravity Experimentation" messages were erased inadvertantly several months ago because of an error message that showed up during a software link analysis of the entire message board, I thought that it might be time to begin again a new message thread "Antigravity Research," and return to the quest to understand how Antigravity and Gravity might work in our Universe.

Well, needless to say I was upset that all my messages were erased. Especially since at that time I was trying to protect an individuals freedom of speech just prior to the disappearance of the posts, even though I did not necessarily agree with the complete views of the some what religious bent of the poster. Hopefully, we won't loose any more messages and our group can discuss without fear of suppression their ideas and toughts about our Universe. If anyone wants to see the old messages, you can do a search of the topic: Antigravity Experimentation and look at the cached messages.

A primary leader in Antigravity Research, John Searl has a new website:

SEARL EFFECT:

"The Searl Effect was discovered by John Roy Robert Searl in 1946. Put simply, it is a method of extracting clean and sustainable energy.

By definition, it is an effect based on magnetic fields that generates a continual motion of magnetized rollers around magnetized rings (also called plates) producing electrical energy.

Incidental effects include negative ionisation of surrounding air resulting in a cooling of temperature, and anti-gravitational characteristics under specific conditions.

Other expressions used to describe similar sources of energy include 'The Space Fabric', 'Quantum Energy field of Space' or 'Zero Point Energy'. This describes an unlimited and constant source of energy which can be made to flow when the correctly proportioned masses concerned are stimulated by the correct frequencies, therefore creating an 'open system'.

The idea of utilising this source of energy is the subject of various devices and experiments, most of which prove the existence of the energy but not a method to create a coherent and ordered flow to produce useful power. In contrast, Professor Searl has discovered that in order to create a steady and stable flow, all the masses of the device (and the stimulating frequencies) must conform to precise values determined mathematically by his Law of the Squares.

A machine constructed to these principles produces a stable and useful power output."

http://www.johnsearl.com/technology.html

Does Massive electrical charge change the dynamics of the greater Gravitational field? Mass fluctuactions, proton nucleonic spin, time energy dynamics around gravitational fields, are all interlinked somehow with a relativistic forward motion that interplays with many dimensional wave patterns that include Hot and cold energy; forward, reverse, and future time waves; and the possibility that there are both positive and negative gravitational forces being generated by all matter. The Searl Device is only one example of how gyroscopic dynamics can become a perpetual motion machine. The possibilities are enormous and allow for a far greater range of motion then we can presently comprehend. Including Time and energy dynamics that allow for cold fusion, cold welds, cold waves outside of gravity pressures, and cold bleeds from reverse time waves from antimatter. Forward Time waves just beyond this moment that leap forward and return as a loop. Hutchison Effect created levitation and time effects, clearly showing how electromagnetic mass fluctuations can be interferred with by frequencies and even the matrix itself reformed into new unknown materials.

John
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cosmicsurfer Posted - 05 May 2010 : 15:44:57
Hi Larry, Good to hear from you. You are correct we cannot "see" inside of a black hole, however existing GR and SR theories also do not recognize gravity operating above light speed nor do they recognize that all atomic processes are driven by a graviton cycle. The logical conclusion is that gravitons are the driving force for atomic interactions, if this is true then we must ask how are gravitons paired in motion with antigravitons? Again, there is only one logical conclusion since the hydrogen atom is the base ground state and the primary building block for matter, we can solve a lot of problems by looking at how gravitons terminate their existence in the core of the proton. TVF motion for graviton is 20 billion times the speed of light minimum, the strong force exhibits a strengthening of the proton bag on an inverse square of distance from core which is exactly what would occur if gravitons slowed down when being captured by protons. Now, we must solve the next problem, what happens to the gravitons where do they go?

To step down the Graviton Flux power source that drives all atomic motion and mass formational processes in forward time, the turn around for FTL polarity reversals must take place in cores of protons. It is the logical choice, the gravity well vectors always point toward the center of the largest mass. The G-Force is caused by the exiting antigravitons that are repulsive to matter and this always occurs 90 degrees to the plain of rotation or ecliptic.

Let's look at proof that existing notions of quantum motion do not account for this extraordinary FTL energy source that is the cause for all atomic power reactions:

"HERE'S a nice piece of quantum nonsense. Take a doughnut-shaped magnet and wrap a metal shield round its inside edge so that no magnetic field can leak into the hole. Then fire an electron through the hole.

There is no field in the hole, so the electron will act as if there is no field, right? Wrong. The wave associated with the electron's movement suffers a jolt as if there were something there.

Werner Ehrenberg and Raymond Siday were the first to note that this behaviour lurks in the Schrdinger equation (see "Quantum wonders: The Hamlet effect "). That was in 1949, but their result remained unnoticed. Ten years later Yakir Aharonov and David Bohm, working at the University of Bristol in the UK, rediscovered the effect and for some reason their names stuck.

So what is going on? The Aharonov-Bohm effect is proof that there is more to electric and magnetic fields than is generally supposed. You can't calculate the size of the effect on a particle by considering just the properties of the electric and magnetic fields where the particle is. You also have to take into account the properties where it isn't.

Casting about for an explanation, physicists decided to take a look at a property of the magnetic field known as the vector potential. For a long time, vector potentials were considered just handy mathematical tools - a shorthand for electrical and magnetic properties that didn't have any real-world significance. As it turns out, they describe something that is very real indeed.

The Aharonov-Bohm effect showed that the vector potential makes an electromagnetic field more than the sum of its parts. Even when a field isn't there, the vector potential still exerts an influence. That influence was seen unambiguously for the first time in 1986 when Akira Tonomura and colleagues in Hitachi's laboratories in Tokyo, Japan, measured a ghostly electron jolt (Physical Review Letters, vol 48, p 1443).

Although it is far from an everyday phenomenon, the Aharonov-Bohm effect might prove to have uses in the real world - in magnetic sensors, for example, or field-sensitive capacitors and data storage buffers for computers that crunch light."

www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627596.600-quantum-wonders-the-field-that-isnt-there.html" target="_blank">http://newscientist.siruna.com/DSTWAR/Transcoder/_http/www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627596.600-quantum-wonders-the-field-that-isnt-there.html

All over-unity atomic release of energy greater than the sum of the moving parts are caused by taping this "GRAVITON OCEAN" that operates above light speed that drives all other electromagnetic processes.

John Rickey
Larry Burford Posted - 03 May 2010 : 23:58:32
John,

Since you do not attribute this to someone else, I assume it is your original contribution?

[John] " ... terminates a graviton in a polarity reversal inside what would appear to be a "black hole" surrounded by a light speed gluon sleeve ... "

When did we acquire the ability to detect events inside a black hole? It would be cool, but I was under the impression that it was not even theoretically possible. According to our present understanding of physics.

LB
cosmicsurfer Posted - 03 May 2010 : 04:23:53
PROTONS, STRONG FORCE, AND THE TERMINATION OF FORWARD TIME

Quark/antiquark rotations are driven by a constant flow of negative charged gravitons terminating in polarity reversals taking place inside core gluon sleeves of Protons. Most likely, just one quark and one antiquark are "pushed and repulsed" around inside the torus of a Proton at 3.3 trillion times per second by an incoming negatively charged graviton, and an outgoing positively charged antigraviton. The single Meson inside quarks must also interact by exchanging flux [gravitons/antigravitons], which is an exact model of our large scale processes that originate gravitons. Each 1/3.3 trillionth of a second forward time terminates a graviton in a polarity reversal inside what would appear to be a "black hole" surrounded by a light speed gluon sleeve which is the event horizon. The Proton captures gravitons that cycle through the north poles of torus, this graviton magnetic field forms the strong force and pushes the quark while the exiting antigraviton which carries a positive charge is repulsed by Protons and pushes against the gluon walls creating a light shock wave or gluon sleeve during antigraviton pulsed streaming. How collider experiments generate such large numbers of quarks and antiquarks is because of the Faster Than Light Graviton, the 4th dimensional energetic processes that terminate in cores of protons when hit at light speed cause a breach in the polarity reversal processing of gravitons. The collision causes the broken gluon sleeve to now produce a fountain of quarks and antiquarks because the graviton cycle itself operates way above the speed of light so the inertia of greater motion will no doubt create all sorts of abberations that are not really accurate interpretations of what is occurring inside protons. But, logically there is zero chance that a point charge exists as a non-motion geometry inside Protons.

All mass is aligned to the gravity well, this is caused by the exiting antigravitons which are pulsed out of the cores of proton's every 3.3 trillionth of a second. Because of the bulk exiting of antigravitons that head back toward the other side of our large scale reverse time rotation sphere's are formed. It is a perfect exchange system. The galactic outflow arms that contain mass degenerate their orbits over time because of the galactic wind that pushes solar systems away from the AGN core. However, the pioneer effect, a deceleration is caused by the 90 degree penetration of the constant flow of FTL gravitons that hit the "bubble" that forms a large circulation of gravitons surrounding our solar system. In summary, the Proton acts like a mini-black hole terminating forward time and the antimatter induction that creates exiting antigravtons forms the vertical alignment to the gravity well. John Rickey
cosmicsurfer Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 13:50:57
DARK MATTER, OR ANTIMATTER?

Antimatter Positrons Explain Gamma Ray Mystery In Milky Way Galaxy:

ScienceDaily (July 9, 2009) A team of astrophysicists has solved a mystery that led some scientists to speculate that the distribution of certain gamma rays in our Milky Way galaxy was evidence of a form of undetectable dark matter believed to make up much of the mass of the universe.

In two separate scientific papers, the most recent of which appears in the July 10 issue of the journal Physical Review Letters, the astrophysicists show that this distribution of gamma rays can be explained by the way antimatter positrons from the radioactive decay of elements, created by massive star explosions in the galaxy, propagate through the galaxy. Thus, the scientists said, the observed distribution of gamma rays is not evidence for dark matter.
There is no great mystery, said Richard Lingenfelter, a research scientist at UC San Diegos Center for Astrophysics and Space Sciences who conducted the studies with Richard Rothschild, a research scientist also at UCSD, and James Higdon, a physics professor at the Claremont Colleges. The observed distribution of gamma rays is in fact quite consistent with the standard picture.
Over the past five years, gamma ray measurements from the European satellite INTEGRAL have perplexed astronomers, leading some to argue that a great mystery existed because the distribution of these gamma rays across different parts of the Milky Way galaxy was not as expected.
To explain the source of this mystery, some astronomers had hypothesized the existence of various forms of dark matter, which astronomers suspect existsfrom the unusual gravitational effects on visible matter such as stars and galaxiesbut have not yet found.
What is known for certain is that our galaxyand othersare filled with tiny subatomic particles known as positrons, the antimatter counterpart of typical, everyday electrons. When an electron and positron encounter each other in space, the two particles annihilate and their energy is released as gamma rays. That is, the electron and positron disappear and two or three gamma rays appear.
These positrons are born at nearly the speed of light, and travel thousands of light years before they slow down enough in dense clouds of gas to have a chance of joining with an electron to annihilate in a dance of death, explains Higdon. Their slowing down occurs from the drag of other particles during their journey through space. Their journey is also impeded by the many fluctuations in the galactic magnetic field that scatter them back and forth as they move along. All of this must be taken into account in calculating the average distance the positrons would travel from their birthplaces in supernova explosions.
Some positrons head towards the center of the Galaxy, some towards the outer reaches of the Milky Way known as the galactic halo, and some are caught in the spiral arms, said Rothschild. While calculating this in detail is still far beyond the fastest supercomputers, we were able to use what we know about how electrons travel throughout the solar system and what can be inferred about their travel elsewhere to estimate how their anti-matter counterparts permeate the galaxy.
The scientists calculated that most of the gamma rays should be concentrated in the inner regions of the galaxy, just as was observed by the satellite data, the team reported in a paper published last month in the Astrophysical Journal.
The observed distribution of gamma rays is consistent with the standard picture where the source of positrons is the radioactive decay of isotopes of nickel, titanium and aluminum produced in supernova explosions of stars more massive than the Sun, said Rothschild.
In their companion paper in this weeks issue of Physical Review Letters, the scientists point out that a basic assumption of one of the more exotic explanations for the purported mysterydark matter decays or annihilationsis flawed, because it assumes that the positrons annihilate very close to the exploding stars from which they originated.
We clearly demonstrated this was not the case, and that the distribution of the gamma rays observed by the gamma ray satellite was not a detection or indication of a dark matter signal, said Lingenfelter.
The scientists were supported in their studies by grants from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090708201840.htm

The interactions that cause the formations of GALAXIES in forward time occur because of Antimatter, not Dark Matter. Dark Matter and Dark Energy do not exist. Currently, existing General Relativity---Space Tensor Theory/or Mass Perturbation Theory that warps space around mass causing gravity cannot explain the faster than expected rotations of Galaxies without creating 96% missing mass. What a joke!!!! First of all, space is flat and cannot have curvature period. Here is the reason why this has to be true: A true singularity cannot exist, there can only be one infinity and only one Universe. The Universe has to exist with in an infinite space (otherwise you have a box within a box paradox), if this is true then space has to be flat, in fact space by definition is a nothingness, it cannot stretch, curve, or cause any motion, or warp around mass.

Existing GR theory is plain wrong, shows zero energy exchange for MASS to even exist, and certainly does not answer the question why Galaxies move so fast. If I came into a college class with only a 4% answer as to why the Universe works, with 96% of the answer or mass missing---I would fail the exam! GR is a failure, and just like the BIG BANG THEORY is a joke holding back our ability to truly see how an energy exchange is constantly taking place causing the very formation of mass around cores of galaxies in extreme motion to exist. Existing theories, including the standard model of physics that predicts quanta particle formations during collider experiments is WRONG and does not predict what is actually taking place inside PROTON'S!!!!

The only way to get out of this mess is to think outside the box. Our constructs are so stuck, keeping the mainstream science locked up in a juggernaut of incorrect assumptions that equates matter winning out over antimatter in the planck era of a BIG BANG event that is an impossibility. Look closely at the HERA collider experiments, there is exactly a 50% production of quarks and antiquarks from the breaking of the gluon stream. If a 50/50 relationship exists between matter and antimatter inside protons, then why would it be any different on large scale energy circulations between regions of matter and antimatter?

DUAL TIME UNIVERSE: I could not have evolved my thinking about how the Universe works without my discussions with Tom Van Flandern. It was Tom's passion about the Graviton that boldly caused me to expand my mind regarding large scale interactions. Halton Arp and Roggero Santilli were also key to the development of a new model of how energy cycles in a forward and reverse time Universe. I see now that an energy cycle is the continuous cause for not only gravity, but the very formation of mass itself. This energy cycle is extreme, operating way above the frequencies and speed of light, causing formations of protons in off spinning graviton-gravitomagnetic fields that spin-off of black hole core polarity reversals creating arms of galaxies that mimic core micro-polarity reversals in the formations of proton's. Stable high spinning fields of 4th dimensional gravitons terminate in the cores of proton's with polarity reversals that form a vertical gravity well from the exiting antigravitons. It is that simple, mass formational processes are stabilized and built off of a vertical alignment with the exiting antigravitons that form spheres. Now we can see exactly why matter not only dominates forward time, but how in fact spheres are created! In forward time, the circuit of negative charge always discharges towards the positive pole causing motion. This process is exactly the opposite in reverse time where positive charge always discharges towards the negative pole. You have to complete a circuit for the mechanics of Universe just like the local utility to work! There is no free lunch, mass does not exist just because it exists, atomic matter is a dynamo processing this eternal graviton cycle, whereby protons capture gravitons, and antimatter induction is taking place in forward time in cores of Proton's.

When the funding is available, I will bring together a team to study this large scale and local interaction that enables all mass to exist. We need to build a model not based on collider experiments, even though the information on what occurs during these experiments is extremely valuable, but based on how the graviton cycle actually wraps much like a Rodin Coil through the north pole as the right thumb rule forming the strong force and the 100 times higher (than strong force) gluon sleeve (gluon force) that is the light/speed encasement for the proton core polarity reversals (that occur way above light speed/frequencies). Fermi labs antiproton-proton collisions has shown the BsMesons flipping rate of 3.3 trillion x per second is most likely the true rate of actual internal toroidal rotations of 50/50 quark and antiquark revolutions around core antimatter induction/graviton polarity reversals that create antigraviton ejections that form the vertical alignment or gravity well.

Now we can see why CPT violations are suppose to occur! Antimatter does not belong on this side of our large scale paired rotation and attempts to get back to reverse time. We can also see that now the quark and antiquark paired rotations around a torus inside protons operates in extreme motion, and because of this extreme rotational "Flipping Rate" when during collider experiments can create all kinds of new sub particles that most likely are just artifacts of the experiment and do not represent what is actually occurring inside protons---we missed the entire point because of our pre-conceived notions about reality based on wrong Big Bang assumptions, SR speed limits, and a whole lot of other non-sense descriptions that confuse and make space a substance that can expand. So, there is much to be done in changing the way we look at our Universe. Once we understand that gravitons power the atom, we can harness this freely available energy source to power our world. John Rickey
Stoat Posted - 09 Jan 2010 : 05:34:43
To tidy up those equations a little bit. Let's assume that electrons are little balls of about 2.4E-12 metres radius. Of course they're probably not but it's the common model, and it's fair to say that the electron is somewhere in that sphere. So if two could touch they would touch when the centre's are at twice their radius.

The radius is r = h / mc We need to double the radius and square it to stick it into the equation of the esu.
So we get f = k*Q^2*m^2*c^^2 /4h^2
For gravitational force, we need to divide that by 2b*c^2
Where b is the speed of gravity.

k*Q^2*m^2/4h^2*2b = 2Gm^2/4r^2

This gives us a lower speed of gravity than I think it actually is. We don't need to put in a cos theta but we should imagine that it's there.
cosmicsurfer Posted - 02 Jan 2010 : 13:27:37
Hi Stoat, Happy New Year!

I would agree with the expanding universe and decrease of G over time but for a different reason. Because visible universe is part of a large outflow arm of a large scale paired motion with a reverse time antimatter rotation, the incoming gravitons are compressed at greater densities around core polarity reversals so that the further away from centers the less dense the circulation of gravitomagnetic fields. Protons or mass creational processes only take place in centers of circulating gravitons forming polarity reversals, and that is why protons are made up of 50% quarks and antiquarks, this is a balanced condition caused by terminating forward time in cores of protons around antimatter induction. It is the antimatter induction, graviton capture,and antigraviton jet that creates the G-Force Field which is a repulsive force to Neutron heavy Matter, and creates spheres and gravity wells from exiting antigravitons.

Mass only exists around polarity reversals that are occuring at FTL speeds in cores of Protons. Electron vacua are the hot end, and the positron is the cold end of our local looped circuit. So, to model this process will no doubt show us a new perspective on what is going on inside Protons. I think the Graviton and Electron are both carrying a negative charge, and most likely the Graviton is extremely small as a dimensional condition that operates outside of our time zone making Electrons about a 1000% larger due to less compression from lower energy densities that operate within our light spectrum of frequencies. Space is huge between these processes, toroids, loops, and all sorts of geometric states exist in this energy exchange.

Graviton Polarity Reversals are field driven by Antimatter Induction processes, and this is especially so in and around galactic Black Holes. The attraction and repulsion between matter and antimatter is the key to understanding how the relationship works so well causing mass formational processes to exist in arms of galaxies. So, that on large scales the DUAL TIME SPHERE allows the energy exchange between forward and reverse time to take place without collapsing into one huge annihilation. Back to Black Holes, we see that the polarity reversal itself is caused by the large scale attraction between our two partners, however because the fields are in reverse motion there is repulsion---it is the repulsion that causes Graviton event horizons around reverse motion Antimatter Cores to stabilize and not collapse entirely due to their own weight from the incoming compression, and the shearing effect from the reverse motion antigravitomagnetic field must be extreme causing absorption of any incoming mass and immediate conversion into Antigravitons. This induction process is not visible because it operates outside of our viewplane in the fourth dimension at faster than light speeds. Forming a huge top and bottom V shaped reverse rotation of converted Antigravitons radiating back around torus toward reverse time.

John
Stoat Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 05:33:03
Hi Evolivid, do you have a calculator with all the constants to about nine places? I was thinking about the equation for the esu having (2h)^2 as the denominator. It follows, that we can put that into the classic equation for the gravitational force. We take 2G / (2h)^2 and work it out. 2*6.678E-11 /(2*6.626E-34)^2 = 7.605E 55 Take the reciprocal of that, 1.3148E-56

Then let's work out the Swartzchild radius of an electron r = 2Gm / c^2 = 1.3537E-57 metres. Divide the two values. to get 9.713 Is that pi squared do you think?

The reason I think that has to be of interest is that we could have a steady state universe in which G decreases and h increases.

One relationship to look out for here, would be that, if we could stick a rocket on the back of an electron, its relativistic mass would double at the speed of light. However, in a phase change universe, the sign changes to a plus sign in the lorentzian. At the speed of gravity the mass has gone down to the square root of two, of twice the electron's rest mass. It's working just like a jet fighter. Its fuel is its gravitational energy, which it's burning, it burns very little of it after it goes through "the sound barrier" so to speak. Well, the square root of two suggests an rms value, So that Mach's limit of
1 = 2Gm / r*c^2 might have to have the number one changed to 1.414 or 1.11



Stoat Posted - 25 Dec 2009 : 06:18:55
Merry Christmas lads. We're going to get fractals here, aren't we. We've got an electron brownian motion in copper let's say, we cool it right down to zero, which is a differentiation, and we still have a brownian motion. Fractals are there. Actually the Brownian motion increases, because the mean free path increases. Something like bismuth can be a better superconductor than copper, because it has fewer free outer electrons.

Now, let's suppose that inside the Shwartzchild (sp?) radius of the electron there lurks another electron mass. Though this electron has an angular momentum of one. Bear in mind that it's only one because we've swopped an absolute speed of light for an absolute speed of gravity.

Okay, Dirac, Hoyle and Eddington argue that we can have an expanding universe in which either G decreases over time, or h increases over time. That suggests that the hidden electron gravitational mass is located in the e.m. electron's future.

One thing, this is not a black hole. The energy profile of a bec particle is shaped like a moon crater. It has an e.m ridge round it, then a hugely deep hole and a central very very thin spike.

Let's retrace our steps a bit and think of the Lorentzian in terms of a ftl gravity. Let's say that the speed of gravity is a 100 times the speed of light. We've two balls, two inches in diameter, we have a radius for both of one second. We can have the same radius, because we can swop them over, as the 100 times radius ball can be considered the informationally smaller of the two.

The first ball we call the E ball for Einstein, the second, the LP ball for Lorentz, Poincare. We decide we're going to move the balls at the speed of light. The LP ball will flatten by one percent, the E all will flatten by ninety nine percent. A guy in the pub looks at them and says that The E ball is just a flat disk, and the LP ball is still a perfect sphere. We then have an idiot demanding his right to think like a flatlander. Humour him, We place a ball at point zero, with a radius of one light second, we then stretch out our flat sheet to a radius of 100 times that, and say that it's an Argand plane. Equally we could have placed a gravitational ball at the centre as it's informationally smaller. Again we'll have to talk about fractals as our flatlanders are going to find curves that they cannot differentiate.

Enough of that already, Suppose we say about he esu that we are interested in certain radii of particles. r = h / mc Then we can write the esu equation as,
cos theta * f = k_0 * Q^2 * m^2 * c*2 / (2h)^2

I've put in cos theta, where cos theta equals one. Because the speed of gravity we get is a little too low; for my speed of gravity. We still gets roots which straddle the charge value fairly closely though. We'll also get imaginary roots. Trouble is, what sort of Fermi velocities are we going to get in the atomic nucleus? In the case of the electron cloud, at absolute zero, we can have electrons pairing up but for protons they appear to change into neutrons. i think we need to look at the roots of our quadratics and see if there's any patterns for protons that differ from the patterns of electrons. My hunch at the moment, is that we're going to get Julia set virtual fractal particles for one, and Mandelbrot sets for the other. If that's the case, then the interesting stuff should show up in regard to the emu.





cosmicsurfer Posted - 22 Dec 2009 : 13:12:13
Hi Stoat and evolivid! As I see it the Proton is the core to all atomic activity, processing polarity reversals from the large scale graviton cycle. The charge parity time relativity changes for Neutrons because electron absorption within protons stops the core processing of gravitons so that now the Neutron becomes locked in an electronic assembly and emits only in light spectrum range. What this means is that Neutrons only react in our local time giving mass a forward time signature, whereas Proton's really are interacting with large scale polarity reversals with what would appear as a mini-black hole in its core with a polar antigraviton one way emmiter/gun causing the vertical axis and gravity well allignment for atomic mass.

ESU/EMU=gravitational parity. If magnetic fields are accelerated polarization takes place causing greater proton core antigraviton production. The Searl Effect Generator strips electrons from the atmosphere with increased ionization, electrons repulse gravitons as they flow towards the core causing gravitons to speed up resulting in increased antigraviton production streaming away from object forming a vertical "vortex wormwhole" of cold air that is now out of balance with local relativity. This acceleration process can create a vacuum state above the craft and combined with the pushing effect of the gravitons accelerate the craft at extreme speeds.

So, Marx creation is part of a huge circuit, just as there are power lines from utility that completes the negative to positive electron current the graviton cycle also has to complete a circuit back to the positive side. Protons alone will not create an antigravity effect, it is caused by electrons repulsing gravitons. John
evolivid Posted - 22 Dec 2009 : 02:26:13
so I was thinking about the Anti gravity thing and this is what I got
if you take away all the electrons from a atom can photons increase its spin and would that cause the swartschild vertex to absorb and emit more vacuum gravity ?

MARX
Stoat Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 07:24:44
Hi John, I'm still in a hopeless muddle over this. The sums are pretty simple but what's happening isn't. We've got the esu which for an electron; with the radius set at twice the Compton wavelength gives us a force of about 1.09E-5 newtons. Now to get the emu we have to divide that by C^2 So I thought what do we have to divide through by to get the gravitational force; which of course is tiny in comparison.

I get 1.09E-5 /2b*c^2 Where b is the speed of gravity.

This is for the gravitational force between two electrons separated by twice the Compton wavelength of the electron. Again I've not the maths to more than a couple of decimal places but it looks good.

Anyway, for electrons we end up with a quadratic equation of ut + bt^2 where we use the Fermi velocity for u. This gives us two roots of a positive time and a negative time. As I say we can use the negative time root in a bec space. That's okay when we talk about virtual particles anyway. If the two roots are equal but opposite, that would be your bog standard virtual particle but if they're not, then the electron can play "bulls and bears".

A little thought about the Fermi velocity, I've only seen a little table of them for metals, and they are all in the range of about one hundredth the speed of light. Is there a material with a fermi velocity of 137th the speed of light? The fine structure constant does seem to pop up from time to time. Does anyone know what the fermi velocity for metallic hydrogen is? Bear in mind that such a metal can have a very low temperature but still be "hot."

So, what i think happens with the proton and neutron will probably come down to just how it can play the bull and bear markets. It looks like charge and time have close numerical values. The electron has about has about 4E-19 seconds to borrow energy from the past or future, whilst the proton has less time, about 1E-20 seconds. Of course we do need to do the quadratics to see what sort of deal it can broker.
cosmicsurfer Posted - 08 Dec 2009 : 04:56:51
Hi Stoat and Larry, First off I agree with the article that "relativistic mass" is a useful term. E=MC^2 is the rest mass, but certainly this equation is not an accurate definition of MASS in relativistic terms as to how the Graviton Capture energy cycles determine weight and gravitational forces. First off MASS is processing gravitational energies at faster than light speeds, this balancing act can be manipulated and as depicted in the article that used the "ruler" example---can as shown to take place in the John Hutchison video's---be made under certain circumstances to levitate. So, a levitating ruler is now in relativistic terms out of sinc with the gravity field due to increased antigraviton emmissions which certainly are not accurately depicted anywhere in current theory.

Stoat, getting back to Neutron K capture and failed proton concept. I think Proton's are verticle emmiters that control the atomic gyroscopic motion alligned to the gravity well from terminating gravitons in proton core polarity reversals. Protons emit antigratons causing a repulsive force to matter (G-FORCE) and gravity well. I think Neutrons are looped together by an electrical circuit (electron core) allowing for great geometric variation in atomic structure around protons. The gluon circuit between a quark and antiquark is 100 times stronger than the nuclear force, maybe the gluon circuit is an exact model of our large scale graviton exchange and the nuclear strong force is reduced from a counter balanced repulsive exiting antigravitons from proton cores.

Neutron Stars seem to have locked up all of its quark/antiquark pairs in an electrical prison. So that Protons long ago were repulsed away from an ever growing antimatter core. It may be that the gravitons are flying so fast through the neutron mesh between and repulsive huge neutron electrical circuit, that actually the Neutron star is in beginning stages of forming a black hole. Antimatter cores generate tremendous reverse torque causing polar ring antimatter annihilation zones and relativity jets. Captured circulating graviton polar magnetic fields must begin to flatten and twist around an ever growing antimatter core that now develops the typical hour glass ecliptic top and bottom antigraviton exiting radiations.

So, rest mass dynamics are subject to relative field interference with the graviton cycle that drives all atomic motions. We cannot determine any Energy level of mass without first looking at the FTL graviton interactions, our current notions are incomplete and do not understand how energy cycles take place in Universe. John
Stoat Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 06:15:20
Hi Larry, I've no great problems with what you're saying but relativistic mass i implicit in E = mc^2 That they failed to detect the mass increase, is surely support for our contention that the speed of light is not the top speed, gravity is faster. we'd get for Tom's speed of gravity,
M = m / sqrt(1 - c^2 / b^2) where is the speed of gravity.
That's M = 9.11E-31 / sqrt(1 - 2.9E 8^2 / 5.9E 18^2)
So that's about 9.11E-31 / sqrt(1 - 2.5E-21) There is a relativistic mass increase ut it's so tiny that my calculator doesn't want to know about it.

With my proposed speed of gravity, the electron doubles its rest mass, a far cry from infinity. The only reason I wanted to allow for a increased relativistic mass; in terms of the speed of light; was to show that it had been considered. As I say for Fermi velocities of about
1.5E 6 m/s it's rather small beer anyway.

(Anyone interested with regards to this can have a look at this article form John Baez http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/mass.html )

Hi Cosmic and Evolvid, remember that I've got two electrons; or two charged particles; between thumb and forefinger and I squeeze them together so that they touch at twice the Compton wavelength of the particle. I've only looked at the electron so far. To get my speed of gravity I need to push them into each other a little further. So what to do to keep that radius? Stick in a cosine theta. My, admittedly rough calculation, is a third of a radian. If I superglued one electron to my thumb, then let the other one lose, it would leap away at an angle of a third of a radian. No superglue and both would leap away at half of a third of a radian. Now that's interesting, in that Kanerev has a simple cosine rule for whether a toroidal electron accepts or ejects a photon. Then there's that six turns of the electron "coil." Not the slightest idea what it could all mean yet but there's something there. it looks like virtual particles, if such exist, could play bulls and bears with a "seeming" negative time, of about 1E-19 seconds.
Larry Burford Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 18:11:03
[stoat] " ... the debate was about which way was the best way to teach ... "

There is always a debate about the best way to teach. This was different. It was about what to teach.

[stoat] " ... an electron traveling at the speed of light, will only double it's mass ... "

This is wrong for two reasons.

1)
Since that change of understanding in the late 80s the mass of an electron is understood to be a constant. I believe the modern terminology is that "mass is an invariant quantity". Mass is not now (and actually never was) a function of speed. Big Science was just wrong about this bit of relativity theory before the 1990s.

2)
Before Big Science corrected its mistaken notion about the relationship between speed and mass, the mass of an electron (or any other bit of matter) moving at the speed of light would have been calculated to be infinite. (It would not have actually been infinite, of course, and failed attempts to detect the predicted mass increase as v => c were a big part of what led to the change in understanding.)

LB
Stoat Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 08:32:52
Hi Larry, in the eighties the debate was about which way was the best way to teach. Express the Lorentzian in terms of kinetic energy or momentum. The core notion that nothing can go faster than light is still holy writ. Though as I've said a few times, the blue eyed boys and girls of CERN are; seem to be; quietly dumping Einstein in favour of a "new" Lorentzian.

Now, using the relativistic mass of a charged particle doesn't help me, it actually lowers the speed of gravity from where I think it is. My post was trying to get Evolvid to do all the work, and I thought while he was on it, he might as well graph out those figures as well

One of the reasons why I like my speed of gravity, is that an electron traveling at the speed of light, will only double it's mass. It's only when we get up near the speed of gravity, that we need to worry about the dreaded divide by zero. Not even then really, as I think the speed of gravity takes a log form.

Back to the question in hand. Two electrons cheek by jowl in the esu.
F = k_e * Q^2 / r^2
Stick some rough numbers in.
8.9E 9 * (1.602E-19)^2 / (2 * 2.4E-12)^2 = 9.913E-6 Newtons
Divide by the mass of an electron to get an acceleration of about 1.08E 25 metres per second^2

I think that's in the all park for the speed of gravity.

The emu, how does that fit in?
F = k_m * I^2 / r

C^2 = k_e / k_m So we take that force of 9.913E-6 and divide it by C^2 That gives us a force of 1.1029E-22 Newtons. Divide that by the mass of an electron. To give us an acceleration of about 1.2106E 8 metres per second^2 Say about a third of the speed of light.

If we then say we have the radius stay the same; twice the Compton wavelength, our current is going to be about
5.142E-14 Amps.

While we're on we might as well stick a few other equations in there as well.
E = k_e * Q / r^2 the electric field intensity
V = k_e * Q / r Volts
W = Q * V Work

The tricky bit is whether we should allow negative times, from the quadratics we get. I'll leave that for now, to think about the ramifications of it. In a bec material it has to be allowed. The odd thing though, is that a virtual particle might be able to chose whether to borrow, and pay back, from the future or the past. It could play bulls and bears.



Larry Burford Posted - 22 Nov 2009 : 19:36:11
FYI, the concept of relativistic mass was quietly placed in the dust bin of history in the late 1980s/early 1990s. (If you snooze, you lose.)
Stoat Posted - 20 Nov 2009 : 08:02:39
A couple of more thoughts on this. It's important to realize that the Fermi velocity is at absolute zero. A lump of copper say, Fermi velocity 1.57E 6 metres per second, at absolute zero; so what's moving the electrons around? zpe is the standard answer but I think it's down to the speed of gravity.

Second point, if we are talking about Fermi velocities, then we have to increase the mass of the electron to its relativistic mass. However, I don't believe that there is anything like the supposed mass increase.
Stoat Posted - 18 Nov 2009 : 07:42:36
Hi John, really odd that i mentioned Robert Carroll. When you said that you needed to take a look at his stuff, I thought, really hard to find his stuff on the web, it's as if the mean never existed. Was he a spook I wonder?

He worked for the navy, and he's said to have written the book on mach speeds. One of his students was Alan Shepherd. So, did he work on the Air Force "Right Stuff" projects before the advent of NASA? He was in the right place for it.

he invents, and patents a drive unit which utilizes resonant k capture, a much more powerful sort of Sakarov drive. He takes the idea to Washington and has harsh words to say about the president's scientific advisor. Note that he gets in to see him!

His work on room temperature superconductors has him chatting with Pauli. When i did a google search I put in his name, superconductors and bismuth. What it came up with was exactly what you are talking about. The hydrino and fractional quantum numbers. Something that Carroll had written papers on but no one can find them.

I found a couple of e books by him, that were hidden in a folder on the website of an adventure holiday company! Very odd that, they must have been found by the company and binned.

Okay, if fractional quantum orbits of electrons is allowed, then we are talking about a small number of allowed elliptical orbits. Let's say that we can induce this in the ground state electron. Make the orbit so elongated that the electron smashes into the nucleus, k capture.

How I'm getting on with the esu. Another thing that's driving me mad.
We've got k_e * Q_1*Q_2 / r^2
ke = 9.8755E-9 multiply that by the charge on the electron squared to get 2.307o7955E-28
Dive that by twice the Compton wavelength squared to get the force needed to get two electrons to touch each other.
That comes out at 3.9189E-5 Newtons
f=ma so divide by twice the electron mass to get an acceleration of 2.151E 25
integrate that twice to get displacement = ut + 2.151E 25 /2 t^2

But this value for the speed of gravity, about 1.07E 25 is low compared to my best guess of 2.1646E 25
I had to get the two electrons closer to a radius of 2*2.33E-12 squared. That's okay, as the radius of the toroidal electron is r+R

Anyway, if we take the displacement as being the Compton wavelength we can t.
2.4E-12 = ut + 1/2 v t^2
What's u? If it's zero then t is going to be about 4.5E-19 but u is going to be pretty fast, about the Fermi velocity, and for copper, that's about 2.7E 6 metres per second.

So, we've got a quadratic equation and my first thought was to simply dump the negative time solution as meaningless but I'm sure you'd disagree with that.

Anyway, I'm hoping Evolvid is still about to take a look at this. He's got the software to to draw graphs of how electrons behave vis a vis their Fermi velocities in various metals. of great interest would be the value of u when we are talking about protons. Remember that the Fermi velocity has to be an average in an electron sea but in the nucleus protons haven't got the room. Thinking about that, quarks will need some work as they have fractional charges.
cosmicsurfer Posted - 15 Nov 2009 : 14:21:49
Here is another take on the geometry and motion question. I see Electron's as a "HOT" Vacua Plasma that moves around arcing with everything especially the Graviton Strong Force binding the nucleus and Positron's are "COLD" Vacua Plasma (reverse spin) that arcs and bleeds off heat towards the exiting Antigravitons. This EM field would form sub loops through the Nuetron's and interact with the core vacua Electron orbits. So that the purpose of the Electron acts as a slippage or side vent for the excessive energy being released from the greater Graviton Cycle itself. Now, this hot ELECTRON plasma must release energies back towards reverse time as Feynman Advanced Waves by interacting with POSITRONS forming micro annihilation bursts that vent back towards the Proton Core polarity reversal antimatter induction Antigraviton Pulse. Otherwise, nuclear over heating would occur and the atomic dynamo exchange processes would fail catastrophically with an extreme explosion. Without the "bleeding" pulsed release of excess energy by Electron/Positron interactions that complete the local circuit as part of the large scale GRAVITON CYCLE the atomic circuits would fail. Thus, some how either in a hidden dimension Positrons are either moving in the opposite directions to Electrons causing field reactions which release excess energy towards the exiting antigravitons in cores of Protons, or their is a coupling process when positron/electrons are temporarily alligned to the gravity well GRAVITON POLARITY REVERSALS releasing excess heat build-up completing the Electrical Circuit. In other words, this is a complex energy distribution system that allows for gravity field stabillity without feeling the effects of extreme orbital motion---allowing not only biological systems to evolve, but the formation of incredible diversity of complex crystalline structures all integrated to an extreme power source that from an engineering standpoint is a perfect designed system of energy exchange! John
cosmicsurfer Posted - 15 Nov 2009 : 13:26:54
Hi Stoat, I will have to take a look at Robert Carroll's model I like the symmetry. I had another insight into Neutron's maybe a local electrical polar loop forms between chains of Neutron's binding them inside the nucleus so that they do not move---only the internal motion quark/antiquark pairs are in motion and the central Proton now becomes the Axis for reverse polarity inductance creating an Antigraviton pulse from the wrapping strong forces of the Graviton Capture process. This would solve lateral mass development problems and still allow the processing of incoming Gravitons at the core. I am thinking that the Electron Looping is in motion and forms the geometries necessary for Atomic Mass Formations of different Atomic Weights that form Matter. Unless in space, Matter atomic gyroscopic allignment would still allign with the gravity well even though the Neutron's might not be moving around with Electrons but held in place forming complex geometries as seen in atomic formations.

Randall Mills Fractal Ground States:

Using a proprietory process Randall was able to lower the Electron orbits in H plasma's and create a whole new hydride class of matter. The Black Light Process operates outside of existing known physics, and fits perfectly with the Graviton Capture Model. Which suggests that the bulk of energy is in the Graviton Cycle, and not bound in the local atomic motions. Such that Electrons carry the same charge as Gravitons and thus lowering the Electron orbit to fractal ground states will release and "TAP" this repulsed released GM capacitance that is held in place by the circulating Gravitons at superluminal speeds producing 1000:1 power ratio's as a high temperature plasma. So, are you saying that force mass accelerations are some how multiplied by the Electron as twice the speed of gravity? John

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